Machine Paintball Vapor Tuning Guide

ProMod · 09-30-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by russiank

Hi ProMod. I just got my vapor yesterday. but i have a problem. i emailed machine paintball but im still waiting for a reply. the problem i have is when i put my air tank on the gun (output pressure is 520psi when the tank is filled to 4500psi) the gun will fire perfectly until the tanks air pressure gets to around 1800 - 2000psi where it starts to drop shots especially what running the gun on ramping or just firing fast. i tried using a "normal" high pressure regulator tank on the gun and it fired fine. like i guess it should have shot with the low pressure tank. dont know if you may know waht the issure is or if i should wait for Machine to reply to my email.

Are you chrono'd at 280? Have you re-lubed the bolt assembly? I would clean out your engine to see if the stock lube is causing the bolt to stick. Also, are you using fresh batteries? (leading cause of shootdown so-far have been SLP regs, followed closely by dead 9-volts and factory lube)

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Originally Posted by cozmo5050

tony, could you link me the video to your reg disassembly ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXR1mK3EmE0

SDRPB · 10-01-2012, 09:03 PM

My vapor is leaking from the feed neck. I replaced the back oring and the top bolt guide oring and it is still leaking....what could it be?

cozmo5050 · 10-01-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SDRPB

My vapor is leaking from the feed neck. I replaced the back oring and the top bolt guide oring and it is still leaking....what could it be?

check your breech orings. there's one in front and one in the middle of the breech. size 017. Pooty51 says use 018 orings, but i had issues trying to fit them in.

It is not recommended, but using Dow55 on those 2 breech o-rings to make them swell slightly for a better seal.

ProMod · 10-01-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SDRPB

My vapor is leaking from the feed neck. I replaced the back oring and the top bolt guide oring and it is still leaking....what could it be?

Are you absolutely sure it's coming from the feedneck, or is it coming from the frame?

If you push back on the bolt, does pressure build behind your finger? or does moving the bolt around slow the leak at all? Part 1: front bolt-guide oring, Part 2: rear breech oring.

I'd clean out the oring slots and then give the orings a little DOW55.

Ladies and Gents, on a side note, it's getting cold out. A fresh coat of DOW33, RIGHT before you start playing each weekend seems to be the best remedy for cold-weather FSDO. I also recommend settings your ABS dwell to 2, and the ABS timer to 2. This should keep your vapor shooting nicely all weekend, even in this soon-to-get-worse frigid weather.

SDRPB · 10-02-2012, 03:13 AM

Ya when I press on the bolt pressure builds behind my finger....I have already replaced both those orings though....could it be my solenoid?

ProMod · 10-02-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SDRPB

Ya when I press on the bolt pressure builds behind my finger....I have already replaced both those orings though....could it be my solenoid?

Nah, if it was your solenoid, the bolt would be forward and it would be venting your entire tank in a few seconds.

Remember, the bolt is made to "perfect" tolerances instead of "tight" tolerances. If your orings are slightly small (or if you're trying to hand-fit orings, it'll leak like a siv.)

It's the 013 on the front of your bolt guide. I recommend taking that oring off, wiping all of the lube out of that groove, and then throw some DOW55 under a fresh 013 oring. that should take care of it.

PaintballRightMeow · 10-02-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ProMod

Are you absolutely sure it's coming from the feedneck, or is it coming from the frame?

If you push back on the bolt, does pressure build behind your finger? or does moving the bolt around slow the leak at all? Part 1: front bolt-guide oring, Part 2: rear breech oring.

I'd clean out the oring slots and then give the orings a little DOW55.

Ladies and Gents, on a side note, it's getting cold out. A fresh coat of DOW33, RIGHT before you start playing each weekend seems to be the best remedy for cold-weather FSDO. I also recommend settings your ABS dwell to 2, and the ABS timer to 2. This should keep your vapor shooting nicely all weekend, even in this soon-to-get-worse frigid weather.

This is a little off topic, but I'm new to PB and recently got my hands on a Vapor. What is the difference between DOW33 and DOW55? And what lube would you recommend for the Vapor? I believe I'm using Monkeypoo. Also, I'm using a Ninja Pro Reg tank and have the shims set to 550psi. Is that the best setting? Thanks, ProMod. I've heard great things about you, sir.

cbrksy92 · 10-02-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PaintballRightMeow

This is a little off topic, but I'm new to PB and recently got my hands on a Vapor. What is the difference between DOW33 and DOW55? And what lube would you recommend for the Vapor? I believe I'm using Monkeypoo. Also, I'm using a Ninja Pro Reg tank and have the shims set to 550psi. Is that the best setting? Thanks, ProMod. I've heard great things about you, sir.

The monkey poo should work just fine, I've been using it in my vapor and haven't issues, also used in my other vapor as well

PaintballRightMeow · 10-02-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrksy92

The monkey poo should work just fine, I've been using it in my vapor and haven't issues, also used in my other vapor as well

Have you used any other lube? Seen any differences? Also, what psi do you run on your tank?

cbrksy92 · 10-02-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PaintballRightMeow

Have you used any other lube? Seen any differences? Also, what psi do you run on your tank?

Haven't used any other lubes yet, the stock stuff and dow33 should work fine, not 100% sure and my tank is around 450 I'll verify after work to let you know for sure

ProMod · 10-02-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PaintballRightMeow

This is a little off topic, but I'm new to PB and recently got my hands on a Vapor. What is the difference between DOW33 and DOW55? And what lube would you recommend for the Vapor? I believe I'm using Monkeypoo. Also, I'm using a Ninja Pro Reg tank and have the shims set to 550psi. Is that the best setting? Thanks, ProMod. I've heard great things about you, sir.

tanks: anything between 350 and 600 should be ideal. I personally run a 440-450 output and can report 10+ pod efficiency under ideal conditions. My SLP reg has caused a few issues with drop-off so I'd save the SLPs for poppets.

Lube: DOW33 is all-weather grease, DOW55 swells orings slightly to make them fit a little snugger (also helps seal leaks as a temporary fix)

Lube (cont.): non-liquid lube is perfect, slick honey or marmalade are too sticky and can cause bolt stick.

eclipse oil = too thin for spoolies in general
DOW33 = ideal
DOW55 = quick fix for leaks, also good under the main bolt guide orings)
monkey poo (thin coat) = ideal
gun sav (med. coat) = ideal
Hater V2 (med. coat) = ideal
Militia lube (med. coat) = ideal

cbrksy92 · 10-02-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ProMod

tanks: anything between 350 and 600 should be ideal. I personally run a 440-450 output and can report 10+ pod efficiency under ideal conditions. My SLP reg has caused a few issues with drop-off so I'd save the SLPs for poppets.

Lube: DOW33 is all-weather grease, DOW55 swells orings slightly to make them fit a little snugger (also helps seal leaks as a temporary fix)

Lube (cont.): non-liquid lube is perfect, slick honey or marmalade are too sticky and can cause bolt stick.

eclipse oil = too thin for spoolies in general
DOW33 = ideal
DOW55 = quick fix for leaks, also good under the main bolt guide orings)
monkey poo (thin coat) = ideal
gun sav (med. coat) = ideal
Hater V2 (med. coat) = ideal
Militia lube (med. coat) = ideal

What do you use in your vapor? I'm using monkey poo now but it's been in the 50s lately so I ordered some dow33 will performance change at all?

ProMod · 10-02-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrksy92

What do you use in your vapor? I'm using monkey poo now but it's been in the 50s lately so I ordered some dow33 will performance change at all?

Performance? nope. Bolt stick in cold weather should disappear though.

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cozmo5050 · 10-05-2012, 01:48 PM

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butterball88 · 10-05-2012, 09:41 PM

omg cant crono my vapor past 230- 240 im using a hp Tank????? any help guy thanks

ProMod · 10-06-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by butterball88

omg cant crono my vapor past 230- 240 im using a hp Tank????? any help guy thanks

There's your problem. The vapor is only supposed to be used with a 350-600 PSI tank. Anything higher will cause the noid to safety vent.

Once you get a mid/low pressure tank reg, up your dwell and then SLOWLY start increasing the HPR pressure while you chrono

renie · 10-06-2012, 07:17 AM

the #13 orings seem thicker than bs013 standard ones ? is that correct?

ProMod · 10-06-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by renie

the #13 orings seem thicker than bs013 standard ones ? is that correct?

nope, all of the orings in the vapor are standard sizes.

renie · 10-06-2012, 11:54 AM

Funny if I put my eclipse 013s on there loose and thinner and don't seal on the bolt?

ProMod · 10-06-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by renie

Funny if I put my eclipse 013s on there loose and thinner and don't seal on the bolt?

Are they fresh or used orings? For every vapor I've had through my shop (20+ easily) I use brand new 013s from OringMonkey and they seal perfectly with a thin coat of DOW33. Are you sure that the orings you're using aren't mis-labeled? Egos only use 013s on the LPR poppet, and the GEO2s have them on the bolt-tip.

My guess is that your orings are a little dried out, or they could be mis-labeled metrics. I'm 100% certain that they're 013, standard sized orings.