[ProMod]

Originally Posted by idr3amer

how do i remove my bolt sail from the back cap of my vapor is sending me a new one just want to know how to remove it before it shows up.

...bolt sail? that's nowhere near the back cap.... the bolt sail is the main oring on the bolt. you can replace that by unscrewing the gold can and pushing the bolt out.



I think you mean the back-cap itself; the piece on the back of the engine that's the same color as the rest of your marker, right? There's a link in my sig called "Vapor Breakdown" that should show you how to take it apart. Long story short, there's a hole on top that you need to stick a small allen key or toothpick into.

[Fiskett]

Hello dear Ballers!

Just took my (now officially mine) vapor on the field today.

Some time in to the day. Whenever I was airing it up the bolt kept shooting (not very loud) like the gun didn't get enough air to hold it back. But if you would turn it off and then turn it on again it worked.

I checked the chrono and it was at 280.

Witch oring is it that I need to change?


And another thing with the Orings. I've noticed that the oring chart in the vapor manual dose'nt use regular Oring sizes.

Why is that? And where could I get a chart to see with the regular sizes?


PS. When it was shooting. It was the best gun I've ever felt!

[billy1234]

Oringmonkey.com for a chart

[ProMod]

Hey Fiskett!

the manual uses standard sizes, just add a 0 in front of the number and you'll get the correct oring size.

as for the air-up problem, why don't you just leave your marker aired up all day? It could be that the solenoid spool needs a little lubricant, or the bolt assembly might need to be cleaned. I'll look into other possible solutions once I get home from dinner




*EDIT*

as for oring charts, Oring Monkey made one that's free to download:
http://www.oringmonkey.com/product_i...roducts_id=868

(thanks for reminding me billy!)

[Fiskett]

Originally Posted by ProMod

Hey Fiskett!

the manual uses standard sizes, just add a 0 in front of the number and you'll get the correct oring size.

as for the air-up problem, why don't you just leave your marker aired up all day? It could be that the solenoid spool needs a little lubricant, or the bolt assembly might need to be cleaned. I'll look into other possible solutions once I get home from dinner




*EDIT*

as for oring charts, Oring Monkey made one that's free to download:
http://www.oringmonkey.com/product_i...roducts_id=868

(thanks for reminding me billy!)

The bolt was clean. So I'll guess I'll try to relube the Orings in the Solenoid.


Just a simple question tho, #17BU/70 = 017 Oring. #15BU/90 = 115
Oring. But what is the #16PU/50 equal to?

[issya]

What do you think would cause the Vapor to shoot inconsistent? velocities were anywhere from 245 to 301 when chronographing. Barrel had no broken paint and paint was purchased from RPS last week. The paint was premium and shot fine for other people. I was using the largest bore barrel. These shots were all single shots with long pauses in between. I noticed the same fluctuation when ramping. I am using a regular Ninja regulator with all shims removed.

[ProMod]

Originally Posted by Fiskett

The bolt was clean. So I'll guess I'll try to relube the Orings in the Solenoid.


Just a simple question tho, #17BU/70 = 017 Oring. #15BU/90 = 115
Oring. But what is the #16PU/50 equal to?

#15/90 should be 015/90, the same orings you use on the outside of your tank; #16PU/50 is an 016, polyurathane oring with 50 durometer hardness. You can use a plain ol' 016 with no issues what so ever.

Originally Posted by issya

What do you think would cause the Vapor to shoot inconsistent? velocities were anywhere from 245 to 301 when chronographing. Barrel had no broken paint and paint was purchased from RPS last week. The paint was premium and shot fine for other people. I was using the largest bore barrel. These shots were all single shots with long pauses in between. I noticed the same fluctuation when ramping. I am using a regular Ninja regulator with all shims removed.

Hey!

Never heard of inconsistency issues; I've been +- 3 over the chrono. Time for the questions!


What is your dwell at?
What lube are you using?
When was the last time you relubed your marker?
What bore were you using? (there are two different kits out there)
Have you replaced the orings in the back of the valve?

[issya]

Originally Posted by ProMod

What is your dwell at?
What lube are you using?
When was the last time you relubed your marker?
What bore were you using? (there are two different kits out there)
Have you replaced the orings in the back of the valve?

Here are all the settings...
Lead 5
Trail 5
Trig 0
Solenoid dwell 11
Abs dwell 0
Abs reset 10
Breech delay 5
Eye mode/process STD
Bolt return 25
Others unimportant

Using the lube that came with it, white jar
Relubed outer bolt after last weekend, relubed all tonight but have yet to chrono again.
Used .689 and .685. Paint fit well in .685 but I noticed inconsistencies in both.
Never replaced the orings. It does have the pooty mod if that helps.

Thanks for the help!

[ProMod]

Originally Posted by issya

Here are all the settings...
[Solenoid dwell 11
Abs dwell 0
Abs reset 10]

Using the lube that came with it, white jar
Relubed outer bolt after last weekend, relubed all tonight but have yet to chrono again.
Used .689 and .685. Paint fit well in .685 but I noticed inconsistencies in both.
Never replaced the orings. It does have the pooty mod if that helps.

Thanks for the help!

Don't thank me until we've got your vapor shooting lasers

Dwell is really what I'm interested in then. Humor me? Up it by 2ms, and loosen your feather touch screw (half to a full turn is a good start. If you crank it down, it's possible that there's back pressure that causes chopping and inconsistencies)

[issya]

Originally Posted by ProMod

Don't thank me until we've got your vapor shooting lasers

Dwell is really what I'm interested in then. Humor me? Up it by 2ms, and loosen your feather touch screw (half to a full turn is a good start. If you crank it down, it's possible that there's back pressure that causes chopping and inconsistencies)

Will have to do it after work tomorrow. When you say loosen, you mean out right? Wouldn't that be closing the hole?

[ProMod]

Originally Posted by issya

Will have to do it after work tomorrow. When you say loosen, you mean out right? Wouldn't that be closing the hole?

The feather touch screw, on the back of the marker under the back cap, has regular threading. Lefty loosey will move the screw out and allow MORE airflow.

Imagine the feather touch screw as a clamp on a garden hose. The more you tighten it, the slower the air comes out. (technically the airflow around that point speeds up, but creates back pressure. physics confuses people; myself included sometimes )

[Fiskett]

When relubing the solenoid. Will regular Monkey poo work?

And I've been noticing that sometimes when I just pull the trigger it shoots two times (really dosen't feel like there's something wrong, seems like a board issue).

What's the name of the value I shall set the board to so it only shoots one ball/triggerpull after I've been ramping for a while?

EDIT: Where do I find the serial number?

EDIT 2: The marker seems to be getting worse. Sometimes the bold just stays in a forward position while a lot of air is leaking out the breach.
Tanks in advance

[Automatic Thrill]

Originally Posted by Fiskett

Where do I find the serial number?

Under the left grip.

[paintball addiction]

Does the vapor need a low pressure tank? I have a ninja pro reg will that work?

[guts]

yes get the pressure to 450?

[ProMod]

Originally Posted by Fiskett

When relubing the solenoid. Will regular Monkey poo work?

And I've been noticing that sometimes when I just pull the trigger it shoots two times (really dosen't feel like there's something wrong, seems like a board issue).

What's the name of the value I shall set the board to so it only shoots one ball/triggerpull after I've been ramping for a while?

EDIT: Where do I find the serial number?

EDIT 2: The marker seems to be getting worse. Sometimes the bold just stays in a forward position while a lot of air is leaking out the breach.
Tanks in advance

Monkey poo is fine.

When the marker fires twice, are your eyes on, and are you holding the trigger down to force a shot? If so, make sure Eye Mode is set to STD, and switch your Eye Process to the other value (if it's STD set it to ADV, if it's ADV, set it to STD.....I know, this is kind of vague, but I remember noticing the same thing when I was fooling around with the board settings).

"Ramp Reset" (how long until it goes back to semi) is under the Firing Setpoints menu tree.

Serial Number is under the Left side grip.

I think it could be your bumper oring; make sure you're using an 015, NOT a 115. The thicker oring will get jammed and cause the bolt to stick forward.
**EDIT** REFERRING TO FRONT BUMPER ORING: 014.

[Fiskett]

Originally Posted by ProMod

Monkey poo is fine.

When the marker fires twice, are your eyes on, and are you holding the trigger down to force a shot? If so, make sure Eye Mode is set to STD, and switch your Eye Process to the other value (if it's STD set it to ADV, if it's ADV, set it to STD.....I know, this is kind of vague, but I remember noticing the same thing when I was fooling around with the board settings).

"Ramp Reset" (how long until it goes back to semi) is under the Firing Setpoints menu tree.

Serial Number is under the Left side grip.

I think it could be your bumper oring; make sure you're using an 015, NOT a 115. The thicker oring will get jammed and cause the bolt to stick forward.

So the green one in this pic http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...031409766.jpg/ (your pic) should not be the green one actually?

It should be a regular sized 015 oring?

[issya]

Originally Posted by ProMod

Don't thank me until we've got your vapor shooting lasers

Dwell is really what I'm interested in then. Humor me? Up it by 2ms, and loosen your feather touch screw (half to a full turn is a good start. If you crank it down, it's possible that there's back pressure that causes chopping and inconsistencies)

Well I upped the dwell and losened the feather touch a half of turn. Can really tell any difference right now, I don't have a chrono. I am taking out next weekend and can report back then. Any other tips I can do on the field to change things? The feather touch is at this point backed out all the way to the edge of the frame.

[ProMod]

Originally Posted by Fiskett

So the green one in this pic http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...031409766.jpg/ (your pic) should not be the green one actually?

It should be a regular sized 015 oring?

That's the REAR bumper oring; it's a 2x15 I think

I'm referring to the bumper on the front of the bolt (in front of the sail) that should be an 014

[guts]

so my 2nd oring inside the body will not seal the 017, if I put pressure(using finger) around it it seals, but as soon as I shoot it I hear a small gurgling sound... it still shoots and I have replaced the oring and have used the 2x17mm and that was worst .. help me obi wan promod your my only hope

[ProMod]

Originally Posted by guts

so my 2nd oring inside the body will not seal the 017, if I put pressure (using finger) around it it seals, but as soon as I shoot it I hear a small gurgling sound... it still shoots and I have replaced the oring and have used the 2x17mm and that was worst .. help me obi wan promod your my only hope

well that's a new title for sure! xD

anyway, anything that contacts the surface of the bolt should be an 017 and it should fit a little on the tight side. Replace the rear feedneck oring with an 017, and then make sure that your main seal on the bolt guide is intact. Your bolt isn't scratched, is it?