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Old 06-24-2014, 09:41 PM #1
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Someone please sell me on the 2014 Vapor

I am slowly getting back into the sport and being a pipeline welder I can actually afford guns compared when I used to play like 5-6 years ago. So I am getting back into the sport and been narrowing it down to 3 guns.

Bob long VIS

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Any help would be deeply appreciated thank you!

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Old 06-24-2014, 11:02 PM #2
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have you looked into the Eclipse ego LV1? if you have something against ego's, you have to try one, cause it's nothing like any old ego. It feels almost like you're shooting a poppit gun, while still maintaining the reliability and efficiency of a ego. its honestly like no other gun out there and i would deffinately give it a try man!
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I love my lv1, and my insight NG, haven't seen too many great things about the vapors, my friend has one and he hates it
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Old 06-25-2014, 07:47 AM #4
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IN order of the ones you list, I would take

VIS
Demon
VApor

I have a VCOM w/ VIS engine, I have a 2013'd Demon, I have a 2014 Vapor.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:28 AM #5
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looked at the lv1 but didn't like how it shot. well after looking at the demons and vis ill have to do some more through research...
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:35 AM #6
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Ever shoot a luxe or Vanquish? Considering you're looking at high end markers I would look at them all.
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:31 PM #7
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I have not shot a luxe or vanquish . I looked at them but its not jumping out at me like the demon and vis. But hey I reckon it wouldn't hurt to go shoot one.
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:33 PM #8
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I own two of those three markers. The Vanguard Demon and 2014 Vapor.



The Demon:

-Shoots nicer. Less barrel rise and is quieter.
-Comes with a more advanced board. (Although the board is less reliable than the Vapor APE board)
-Has a shortage on parts (boards specifically)
-Can be bought for much cheaper

The 2014 Vapor

-Requires less maintainence and is easier to maintain
-Is slightly more efficient (Although the Demon is still very efficient)
-Does not have a shortage on parts
-Has better customer service
-Is generally more reliable (If you sort out the shuttle problems on the Demon, it would probably be the other way around)

They both:

-Have awesome barrels. I can't determine which one I like more.
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Old 06-25-2014, 01:13 PM #9
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See when you say things like that I have to throw the vapor back in the hat haha. What does the vapor compare to shooting wise!?
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Old 06-25-2014, 01:29 PM #10
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I would say it compares to a Clone GTI and DM.

In my opinion, the Demon is the nicest shooting marker out there. That doesn't mean I would take it over the 2014 Vapor though. With the Vapor you won't have to worry about a shortage of parts or the customer service of Vanguard.
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Old 06-25-2014, 01:31 PM #11
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Appreciate it hopefully ill be able to order my new setup fri!
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I've had great CS from both Vanguard and Machine (one of rare ones, I know). I would definitely say the Demon is far more reliable, if only because the eye pipe is so badly designed on the Vapor. Honestly, I've been thoroughly unimpressed with everything about the 2014 Vapor, and consider it to have been a mistake to have purchased it. And I'm one of the rare individuals that really love my 2012 Vapor.

VIS IMO is the best possible value. The VIS engine is more efficient than just about anything else out there while still being pretty darn smooth and quiet, and the VCOM engine is as smooth as anything out there while still being pretty decent efficiency. All for the price of a single marker.

Luxe/Vanquish are very uncomfortable FOR ME. They're fantastic shooting, but just feel WRONG in my hands so couldn't recommend them for that reason.

As far as other suggestions you're not specifically looking at, GTi. Best board currently made IMO, I find it very comfortable, great efficiency for a spool, extremely smooth. I like shooting them more than the VIS even. However, I'll recommend a VIS over a GTi every time due to the value of the VIS and it's dual engines.
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Old 06-25-2014, 05:08 PM #13
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That is very true. I forgot to mention the eye system on the 2014 Vapor. It seems to be a hit or miss. For some people it's a nightmare, while others haven't noticed any issues. Overall a poor design on Machines part. I'm currently in the process of getting my eyes replaced to fix some odd things they were doing.
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buy a axe. Take the left over $ and buy your wife something nice to ensure that you have free time to go play. They shoot so well for so cheap its silly to get anything else.
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buy a axe. Take the left over $ and buy your wife something nice to ensure that you have free time to go play. They shoot so well for so cheap its silly to get anything else.
This is true. Also, the it impulse is a steal for $550 that you can find it for used.
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buy a axe. Take the left over $ and buy your wife something nice to ensure that you have free time to go play. They shoot so well for so cheap its silly to get anything else.
Honestly I have never shot a axe but I reckon I could use the money to get some extra gear. I can spend that money on myself cause I don't have a wife and my gf is easy to please. Are they pretty good efficiency wise?
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Honestly I have never shot a axe but I reckon I could use the money to get some extra gear. I can spend that money on myself cause I don't have a wife and my gf is easy to please. Are they pretty good efficiency wise?
They're efficient when you get either a Lurker bolt or Boss bolt. Both are inexpensive.
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They're efficient when you get either a Lurker bolt or Boss bolt. Both are inexpensive.
They're still pretty efficient without aftermarket bolts. I use a Lurker personally but it still shot ~12 pods with a 70ci 4500psi fill before the lurker.
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I have owned the following within the last year

Clone vx
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The vanquish shoots the same as a 2.0 luxe, but it has loads of issues relating to the board. If you play every weekend or in places with extreme humidity, be prepped to make sure your gun is constantly lubed. I had mine go down in 40 degree weather, and my teammates has gone down at every tournament, almost every prax. Can be found relatively cheap, about $800. Barrel kit is great.

Clone vx/gt/gti. Great guns that shoot smooth. Once you find a setting leave it. If you lube your bolt after every time you play, you should. Be golden. Lots of o-rings on the bolt. Customer service just changed hands. My gt only went down during a long day of a rainy tournament?Can be found cheap due to crap resale value. (Best bang for the buck)

Vapor: stock lube sucks, stock o-rings suck, stock barrel is great. I changed all of my bolt o-rings out for o-ring monkey o-rings, it shoots great now. Machine just sent me my updated eye pipe, great service. No oled, but I'm okay with that. Shoots pretty good, just had my first paint break yesterday, comfortable for me. Can be found cheap because of bad exp with the V1

Bob longs: great guns, extremely efficient, require the perfect settings in order to work great. Can be found decently cheap.


(Source: a bunch of techs, and teammates who let me use their guns.)

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I have owned the following within the last year

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The vanquish shoots the same as a 2.0 luxe, but it has loads of issues relating to the board. If you play every weekend or in places with extreme humidity, be prepped to make sure your gun is constantly lubed. I had mine go down in 40 degree weather, and my teammates has gone down at every tournament, almost every prax. Can be found relatively cheap, about $800. Barrel kit is great.

Clone vx/gt/gti. Great guns that shoot smooth. Once you find a setting leave it. If you lube your bolt after every time you play, you should. Be golden. Lots of o-rings on the bolt. Customer service just changed hands. My gt only went down during a long day of a rainy tournament?Can be found cheap due to crap resale value. (Best bang for the buck)

Vapor: stock lube sucks, stock o-rings suck, stock barrel is great. I changed all of my bolt o-rings out for o-ring monkey o-rings, it shoots great now. Machine just sent me my updated eye pipe, great service. No oled, but I'm okay with that. Shoots pretty good, just had my first paint break yesterday, comfortable for me. Can be found cheap because of bad exp with the V1

Bob longs: great guns, extremely efficient, require the perfect settings in order to work great. Can be found decently cheap.

(Source: a bunch of techs, and teammates who let me use their guns.)
I've never had issues with the vanquish board nor have any of my teammates or anyone on any if the other top gun teams I know.

With that said empire has the best customer service ever. Hands down. Plus full tech booths at every PSP event. A teammate had issues with an axe in the past and they basically sent him an entire new gun worth of parts without any questions asked.
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I have seen to many non-pro owned vanquishes go down. just saw a vanquish board speaker crap out yesterday. But yes their CS is great.
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