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Old 07-09-2012, 08:15 AM #85
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Oh yea, I forgot. Muslims and Arabs don't care enough to report if their family member has been murdered

From now on I'm only going to respond to posters who have anything of substance to say.
I never said they didn't care, but in Islamic countries stoning is considered legal punishment for crimes unworthy of capital punishment. Does it mean they were murdered? Depends on who you ask. Also in many of those countries it's hard to pin down statistics because the infrastructure just isn't there to keep track. I looked up the recent UNODC statistics and Africa and South America are among the highest reported rates of intentional homicide but go ahead and shrug this comment off as well.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-a.../homicide.html
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:02 PM #86
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Why would I shrug off that statistic? I never said the US has the highest, just that Muslim countries have some of the lowest (which they do, as you can see from the data). If the infrastructure is there in Honduras and Guatemala, it for damn sure is there in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, etc etc. I guess since Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvadore and highly religious Christian countries, Christianity must condone violence and murder

Your comment about stoning shows you just don't have the knowledge to speak about issues like this. Stoning? Come on man, tell me what countries actually have the penalty of stoning, and when was the last time it was actually carried out on someone? I don't doubt it happens, but only by the crazies. I'm sure you'll find some random villages in Afghanistan or Nigeria/Somalia who did it, but that's such a radical and insignificant example that it's like saying Columbine is an example of what happens at a US high school. Afghanistan and Somalia are not the face of Islam, but rather the face of decades long fighting and extremist groups propping up out of extreme situations.

A good example would be when the Wahhabi stoned someone to death for adultery when the Saudi Monarchy had just gained power, and the entire country was shocked, as actually carrying out a stoning was completely unheard of and had not been done for hundreds and hundreds of years.

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They also have vastly lower populations, lack of documentation on deaths, poor living conditions, aids, wars, genocide, etc.
Do you know what the word "rate" means? There is barely any AIDS, war, or genocide in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Mauritania, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, etc etc, you do know that right? Living conditions in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, and Kuwait are equal to or better than the United States, you know that right? These are countries with immense oil wealth.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:06 PM #87
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A harsh penalty for adultery? Oh the horror!
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:12 PM #88
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Why would I shrug off that statistic? I never said the US has the highest, just that Muslim countries have some of the lowest (which they do, as you can see from the data). If the infrastructure is there in Honduras and Guatemala, it for damn sure is there in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, etc etc. I guess since Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvadore and highly religious Christian countries, Christianity must condone violence and murder

Your comment about stoning shows you just don't have the knowledge to speak about issues like this. Stoning? Come on man, tell me what countries actually have the penalty of stoning, and when was the last time it was actually carried out on someone? I don't doubt it happens, but only by the crazies. I'm sure you'll find some random villages in Afghanistan or Nigeria/Somalia who did it, but that's such a radical and insignificant example that it's like saying Columbine is an example of what happens at a US high school. Afghanistan and Somalia are not the face of Islam, but rather the face of decades long fighting and extremist groups propping up out of extreme situations.

A good example would be when the Wahhabi stoned someone to death for adultery when the Saudi Monarchy had just gained power, and the entire country was shocked, as actually carrying out a stoning was completely unheard of and had not been done for hundreds and hundreds of years.



Do you know what the word "rate" means? There is barely any AIDS, war, or genocide in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Mauritania, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, etc etc, you do know that right? Living conditions in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, and Kuwait are equal to or better than the United States, you know that right? These are countries with immense oil wealth.
Yeah, stoning never happens.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8290CY20120310

More like you have such rose colored glasses on you can't see the news in front of you. Some of the countries have lower rates, but lowest they do not. I like how they still practice slavery and FGM in Mauritania but it's obviously better than the U.S. Rose colored glasses and your head in the sand and yes, Christianity has plenty of blood on its hands.
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What the heck does that have to do with a Muslim state justifying a normalized punishment of stoning for adultery? You're posting the actions of a militia in Iraq during times of relative anarchy and disorder.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-05-13/a..._s=PM:AMERICAS

Here, Christianity condones beheading as punishment.

Why am I even responding to these posts? Can you stay on topic and post Islamic scripture to prove your non-existant point, or are you going to continue posting unrelated links of MILITIAS IN IRAQ during a time of all out war.
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I didn't realize we had restricted our topic to adultery. I simply said stoning, you assumed adultery. I have to post Islamic scripture to have a valid point? You know that article is from a few months ago, right? Hardly all out war.
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Do you have to post Islamic scripture when criticizing the religion of Islam? Is that really a question that needs to be answered?
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:01 PM #92
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Do you have to post Islamic scripture when criticizing the religion of Islam? Is that really a question that needs to be answered?
That's not a question at all, but it seems that the practitioners don't follow the religion and that's a problem. There are plenty of issues with Islam and I could post the worn out repeats but that's not my point. You said Islamic countries have a lower murder rate, they don't. You said that stoning doesn't occur in the mainstream, it clearly does. Is Islam the problem? I'm not sure but it surely is the common bond and the driving force for some bad actions.
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How have you concluded that Islamic countries don't have a lower murder rate when you posted statistics that say they do? Are you just disregarding those statistics because you've decided that they must have higher murder rates (because they're Muslims) and therefor lie or don't report about it?
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Check out this cool picture and maybe you'll figure it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

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Old 07-09-2012, 09:56 PM #95
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These are countries with immense oil wealth.
Oil tycoons are poor examples of living conditions. They aren't exactly known for spreading the wealth around. Not to mention your statistics arguments are flawed for a plethora of reasons. Correlation != causation.
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Check out this cool picture and maybe you'll figure it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Funny how the mostly atheist countries are at the bottom of the list. Hint: Religion isn't the sole factor in crime rates.

Oh, and grey means "no data"

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Old 07-09-2012, 10:21 PM #96
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These are countries with immense oil wealth.
Yeah, right. 90% of the wealth in 3% of the population, maybe. Unless you're some prince, those countries ****ing suck to live in. Don't you think if it was that great we'd all be moving over there now? Why aren't you there now?

And epic lol @ you arguing it's the fault of the woman if she gets raped. Supra, you really think that those hoods that muslim women wear in public have any place in society? Tell me, just what exactly is the purpose of such an obscure article of clothing other than to insult and degrade? Man, and people say Christians are the crazy ones.

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Rape stats are low in muslim countries due to the fact that for a rape charge to stick the act must be witnessed by four adult male muslims. Thats really going to happen right? Here's the link to prove it. A Bronze age religion that has not reformed one iota thru the centuries. Here is a link FYI http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/s...p?main_id=6157
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Here, Christianity condones beheading as punishment.
Why is, "Hey look, Christians are stupid too!" an argument? Just because both religions are archaic, bigoted, embarrassments doesn't make it okay.
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Why is, "Hey look, Christians are stupid too!" an argument? Just because both religions are archaic, bigoted, embarrassments doesn't make it okay.
Yeah the modern atheist policies in Soviet Russia, Cultural Revolution China, Pal Pot's Khmer Rouge, and so many more really maximized their ability to murder innocents.
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Yeah the modern atheist policies in Soviet Russia, Cultural Revolution China, Pal Pot's Khmer Rouge, and so many more really maximized their ability to murder innocents.
Except none of the things you're alluding to happened in the name of atheism.
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Except none of the things you're alluding to happened in the name of atheism.
No, you're partly right. Not every mass murder in a totalitarian country was in the name of atheism, but the purging of all religion and all those who even attempted to maintain faith sure did.
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Why is, "Hey look, Christians are stupid too!" an argument? Just because both religions are archaic, bigoted, embarrassments doesn't make it okay.
It doesn't. I think the point was to show that just because something happened in a Christian country doesn't mean it has ANYTHING to do with Christianity, but for some reason when it happens in a Muslim country it has EVERYTHING to do with Islam. This simple concept is what the idiots in this thread can't wrap their ignorant heads around.

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Hint: Religion isn't the sole factor in crime rates.
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Rape stats are low in muslim countries due to the fact that for a rape charge to stick the act must be witnessed by four adult male muslims. Thats really going to happen right? Here's the link to prove it. A Bronze age religion that has not reformed one iota thru the centuries. Here is a link FYI http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/s...p?main_id=6157
Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
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Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to the woman: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. And about the man who had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.
Did you even bother to read the link? Hasan Mahmud is an advisor to the Muslim World Congress. He speaks to what is actually happening in Muslim majority countries, not a verse from the Quaran. He wants to modify Islam to a just and benevolent religion. You don't do that by burying your head in the sand and ignoring current realities. Personally I think any organized religion is a crock if you choose to look at them logically. If Islam is not reformed and taken away from those that use it to extole violence it will always be a ideology that ultimatley holds women down.
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Ohhh, I thought we were talking about the religion of Islam and not what happens in Muslim countries. Sorry. If you want to talk about rape being a problem in Muslim countries, and then get pointed out that rape is more common in a western country than in an Islamic country, you can't just say "oh because they don't report it" unless you actually have statistics to back it up, because then you just sound like you're full of ****. Btw, only an estimated 16% of rapes in America go reported. So what's the problem with American society? Why are our females so afraid to report rapes? God damn Americans holding their women down.

Btw, a woman is NOT required to produce 4 male witnesses for the crime of rape, that is for a completely different classification of crimes entirely. The 4 witness rule applies when you ACCUSE a spouse of adultery. God, why do I even bother debating people who don't know the first damn thing about the topic.

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, senior lecturer scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada states: “A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness. She is not required to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.”
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