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Old 06-20-2012, 02:49 PM #22
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Good for them. The money can be better used state side.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:53 PM #23
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well it is sad because if the money is jsut used stateside ... is that all you want paitball to be? A lil usa club you dont want to se euro teams come over and try to do what joy division did back in the day?
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:57 PM #24
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:59 PM #25
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well it is sad because if the money is jsut used stateside ... is that all you want paitball to be? A lil usa club you dont want to se euro teams come over and try to do what joy division did back in the day?
Seems like the Millennium series is ok with the "this is our sandbox" notion.

It is quite silly, especially if you consider how long Dynasty has been playing EVERYWHERE and winning. Joy seemed to do well overseas but when they came to the US they would lose to D1 teams back in the days where when you played NPPL you played upper and lower divisions... So you wonder how things were for them over here(same could be said for Ton-tons or nexus)

any way you spin it, it's bad for paintball if teams start leaving leagues and costing sponsors $. Good for the goose, good for the gander also works in reverse.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:00 PM #26
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That blows..I was looking forward to seeing them again in London. Smart move though in my opinion..they can actually focus on PSP/NPPL.

Mille refs are definitely wishy washy.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:09 PM #28
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Shucks... damn millenium refs!

One of the refs at my local field played the last millenium event and the refs there were giving his team a lot of **** for being American.. so pathetic. Although he did threaten to tank any ref that gave him an unfair call



I thought we were all on the same side as paintballers?
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:10 PM #29
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So can the league slam them with any infractions or anything for withdrawing?
what infractions are you gonna give a team that isn't coming back? that's like giving shaq a suspension. pointless.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:10 PM #30
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Drunken Marshalls? Whats mean drunken? One Beer or more? One Beer is not drunken, thats nothing...
Are there any hard evidences? A team can say after the Mille: "The Refs was drunken and give bad calls!" . If you think there is a drunken Marshall say it to the Headmarshall and let him check him.

If someone mean the incident with the marshall: **** happens and most of us just hear some facts mixed with rumors.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:13 PM #32
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well you know he was hungover ... bad ... But its still my point you saying joy got beatin by D1 teams ... well they also had a ton of die har american refs ... " No damn foreigner gonna come to my land and think they will win" .. i lived in the us for 3 years i know how it goes
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:19 PM #33
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I heard this personally from Joey Blute a week or two ago, but it is now official.
the refs and millenium as a whole really did have it out for damage though. if you saw some of what happened personally you were wondering why people weren't being checked, why people were being pulled without any hits on them, etc.
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If there is a problem in the league then I am hoping that this will open eyes and resolve issues within it.

As for 'Dynasty being treated well over seas' : Team Dynasty are world champs, and EASILY the most-known team in Paintball.... they are going to be treated like Kings at any Paintball event
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:25 PM #35
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REALLY SAD ABOUT THIS!!!!!
was hoping to see my fave pro team for the first time at Campaign but seems i won't
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:30 PM #36
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It was disappointing for me to see what happened to Joy, as I was a huge Joy Division fan and I am born and raised in the states. Paintballing needs to go beyond these petty *** nationalism B.S.

There is a difference between having pride in your nationality, and being a pompous ignorant *******. The US is just as guilty of this as any of the European countries.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:34 PM #37
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how were the refs biased?
not unreasonable for euro refs to show more love to euro teams?

I'd like some examples of TBD getting screwed.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:50 PM #38
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not unreasonable for euro refs to show more love to euro teams?

I'd like some examples of TBD getting screwed.
I would say it is completely unreasonable. Their job isn't to rig the game for their area to win, but to rule the game fairly as it happens.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:52 PM #39
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Joy Division did get screwed by NPPL refs... but that league was famous for terrible reffing at that time, and almost all US teams were complaining to some degree (except maybe Dynasty ). I got to believe Euro teams are treated relatively fairly at PSP events. Heck, the Russians have been doing pretty darn well over the years...
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:55 PM #40
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what exactly is the whole story to this, I can't seem to really find anything definitive.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:20 PM #41
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Joy Division did get screwed by NPPL refs... but that league was famous for terrible reffing at that time, and almost all US teams were complaining to some degree (except maybe Dynasty ). I got to believe Euro teams are treated relatively fairly at PSP events. Heck, the Russians have been doing pretty darn well over the years...
of course the russians are going to "do pretty darn well over the years..." theyre the russians!

just like how another user said "dynasty is dynasty and will be treated like kings anywhere they go" same applies to the russians... they are the russians
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of course the russians are going to "do pretty darn well over the years..." theyre the russians!

just like how another user said "dynasty is dynasty and will be treated like kings anywhere they go" same applies to the russians... they are the russians
They weren't always "the russians".

Joy was a pretty darn good team too. Maybe they didn't dominate like Dynasty, Russian Legion, etc, but there were only a few teams in history like those. My point was that lots of teams were upset with the reffing. Maybe there was some non-US team bias, but I can't recall any famous examples of that happening in the PSP. In other words, foreign teams should have little issue with well reffed leagues.
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