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Old 06-12-2012, 02:05 PM #1
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The Most Important Question….

You must ask yourself is…when you pass on from this life do you want to stand before God on the basis of your own deeds or works? I mean really? No one has lived a perfect life and the thought that somehow all the “good” things you did in your life will somehow outweigh the bad things is pretty shaky at best. If God is perfect wouldn’t he demand perfection from his creation (i.e. obeying the law at all times)?

There is however someone who led a perfect life and never sinned. Simply by asking Yeshua (Jesus) to be your savior his righteousness will be credited to your account and you will not have to fear standing before God with the threat of condemnation. So please make the wise choice before it is too late….
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:07 PM #2
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:28 PM #3
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You must ask yourself is…when you pass on from this life do you want to stand before God on the basis of your own deeds or works? I mean really? No one has lived a perfect life and the thought that somehow all the “good” things you did in your life will somehow outweigh the bad things is pretty shaky at best. If God is perfect wouldn’t he demand perfection from his creation (i.e. obeying the law at all times)?

There is however someone who led a perfect life and never sinned. Simply by asking Yeshua (Jesus) to be your savior his righteousness will be credited to your account and you will not have to fear standing before God with the threat of condemnation. So please make the wise choice before it is too late….
How do we know that Jesus wasn't sent by Satan to lull us into a false sense of security, so that we live less than ideal lives thinking we'll be forgiven anyway?
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How do we know that Jesus wasn't sent by Satan to lull us into a false sense of security, so that we live less than ideal lives thinking we'll be forgiven anyway?
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:46 AM #6
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How do we know that Jesus wasn't sent by Satan to lull us into a false sense of security, so that we live less than ideal lives thinking we'll be forgiven anyway?
Your question is loaded with contradiction on yourself. Jesus died for everyone to atone for our sins, which everyone in this world is a sinner. Accepting Christ doesn't cause you to live a less than ideal life. If you accept Christ just for the sake of being able to go off and do whatever the hell you want, you never accepted Christ to begin with. You're either for Him or against Him, there is no middle ground.
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:55 AM #7
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You could be accepting Christ without knowing he was sent by the devil. Your post doesn't counter Spock's in the slightest bit.

If I make friends with a pedophile without knowing he's a pedophile, that doesn't mean he isn't a pedophile. If a friend told me he's only in to older women, that doesn't mean the guy isn't still a pedophile.

Have you met Jesus? Don't answer that. We all know the answer already...

So how do you know who he was? You get one side of the story from one side of the fence. Last time I checked, Satan never put out a book. You never get to hear his side of the story. You're being told everything from one source and accepting it as fact without taking a look at the other side. God's being the child here, name-calling and smack-talking the devil while the devil just sits back and has better things to do. Hell, maybe he's actually saving people's lives while God dishes out another tsunami to kill a few more thousand people
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:20 PM #8
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The arguments you are presenting are nothing new. The Pharisees called Jesus Satan even when they saw him perform miracles in front of their eyes. Jesus defended himself best in Mthw 12:22-32 on why that wasn't true or possible. I'm going to assume you don't accept the Bible as historical fact however though.
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:27 PM #9
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The arguments you are presenting are nothing new. The Pharisees called Jesus Satan even when they saw him perform miracles in front of their eyes. Jesus defended himself best in Mthw 12:22-32 on why that wasn't true or possible. I'm going to assume you don't accept the Bible as historical fact however though.
That still does nothing to refute the theory that the devil himself created Jesus and sent him to "save" mankind, which could have all been a trick to get people to believe in him, thus end up with the devil and not in God's kingdom after death.

The parts of the Bible I accept as historical fact are those passages that are backed by other sources. This is how all belief should be. The more sources that can be used to agree with a particular event, the better. Basing "fact" off what one source says is entirely stupid and foolish.
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:28 PM #10
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The arguments you are presenting are nothing new. The Pharisees called Jesus Satan even when they saw him perform miracles in front of their eyes. Jesus defended himself best in Mthw 12:22-32 on why that wasn't true or possible. I'm going to assume you don't accept the Bible as historical fact however though.
That still does nothing to refute the theory that the devil himself created Jesus and sent him to "save" mankind, which could have all been a trick to get people to believe in him, thus end up with the devil and not in God's kingdom after death.

The parts of the Bible I accept as historical fact are those passages that are backed by other sources. This is how all belief should be. The more sources that can be used to agree with a particular event, the better. Basing "fact" of what one source says is entirely stupid and foolish.
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:45 PM #11
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So you're theory is this - Satan fulfilled the prophecy of the coming of Christ and the life of Christ. Went around preaching against himself, teaching people to go against himself, to not do bad things, to love other people, etc. so that they would accept him instead of the real Jesus. OH and then Satan punished himself by dying for all sinners on the cross so that they may be forgiven for their sins? This is absurd. Satan did not pull a trick-o-treat preaching against himself.

EDIT - Also for sources, the NT is more backed than any historical text from that era, not to mention consistency. The next best from that time would be Homer, which don't even come close. 8,000+ manuscripts for NT, 643 for Illiad.
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^Yes that's absurd, but none of what's written in any other religious doctrine is.....
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:59 PM #13
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^^I don't completely disagree with you, but I will say that we are all in need of a savior and Jesus Christ is the only one that can atone for us. Whereas many other religions focus on what you must/have to do for God, rather than what He does for you.
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Old 06-14-2012, 05:22 PM #14
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Do you really think that the answer to biggest question in human existence is to worship One man and that's all that is required of you?

No.

The point of Christianity is not about accepting one man as some lord and savior.

The point is to stop eating the apple. Which means stop.giving into temptation. Stop taking the easy path out. Stop trying to be like god without earning it. Stop perpetuating the fall.

By thinking all you have to do is believe one man died for you and thereby excusing all your mistakes you continue to eat the ****ing apple.

Put it down. No wonder so many Christians are mocked as hypocrites. Admitting you aren't perfect is a bull**** excuse for taking the easy path to spirituality.

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Do you really think that the answer to biggest question in human existence is to worship One man and that's all that is required of you?

No.

The point of Christianity is not about accepting one man as some lord and savior.

The point is to stop eating the apple. Which means stop.giving into temptation. Stop taking the easy path out. Stop trying to be like god without earning it. Stop perpetuating the fall.

By thinking all you have to do is believe one man died for you and thereby excusing all your mistakes you continue to eat the ****ing apple.

Put it down. No wonder so many Christians are mocked as hypocrites. Admitting you aren't perfect is a bull**** excuse for taking the easy path to spirituality.

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I don't know what crap you've been listening to or hearing from people, but the point of Christianity is the GOSPEL. In a nut shell, God.Our.Sins.Paying.Everyone.Life. That man is total depraved, incapable of atoning or working off his sins on his own, but in need of a savior/sacrificial lamb/Jesus to pay the ransom that originated in the garden. The easy path would be to walk away from the gospel and live our own lives apart from Christ completely and just do as we please. People that don't walk in Christ's footsteps make it sound so easy when it really isn't.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:29 PM #16
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I don't know what crap you've been listening to or hearing from people, but the point of Christianity is the GOSPEL. In a nut shell, God.Our.Sins.Paying.Everyone.Life. That man is total depraved, incapable of atoning or working off his sins on his own, but in need of a savior/sacrificial lamb/Jesus to pay the ransom that originated in the garden. The easy path would be to walk away from the gospel and live our own lives apart from Christ completely and just do as we please. People that don't walk in Christ's footsteps make it sound so easy when it really isn't.
Nothing in the garden of Eden story alludes to or implies that man needs a savior.

Want to walk christs path? Leave your comforts of home and fast in the wilderness for a week. Meditate after day 3. See how you come back from that experience.

Or you can half *** your spirituality and take the easy path.

Want enlightenment? Go get it. Want to be christ like? Walk his path and stop making excuses.
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Clearly you've never read the Bible or very little of it. Sin originated in the garden of eden. They ate from the tree of knowledge when God told them not to and it was forbidden. Disobeying/going against God = Sin last time I checked. I follow the great commission and make disciples in the modern world just as Jesus calls those who follow Him to do.
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Clearly you've never read the Bible or very little of it. Sin originated in the garden of eden. They ate from the tree of knowledge when God told them not to and it was forbidden. Disobeying/going against God = Sin last time I checked. I follow the great commission and make disciples in the modern world just as Jesus calls those who follow Him to do.
Its pretty clear I've been talking about Eden this whole time. Its pretty clear to me that you are part of the problem not the solution. Have you considered purchasing a Prius?
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Anyone else find it a bit hilarious that god didn't want them to eat the fruit of knowledge? Stay ignorant and follow the writings of those who stood to benefit from your adherence.
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It could be that he wanted them to figure it out for themselves. There's nothing that really says we were made to be ignorant gardeners. **** Florida.
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I don't. KTHANKSBYE
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