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Old 06-13-2012, 10:12 AM #22
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I do agree that it is the players responsibility, but how can it be on their shoulders without a chrono at the field. I am the only person I play with who has a handheld chrono and I dont bother bringing it to fields with me. What about the guy in the bachelor party, who borrowed a gun from his girlfriends brother and has no clue what he is doing? As far as he knows, if he pulls the trigger and a ball comes out, the gun works. Is it his responsibility to know better? Every field should have a chrono, or multiple, ready for use and required to play.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:59 PM #23
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I do agree that it is the players responsibility, but how can it be on their shoulders without a chrono at the field. I am the only person I play with who has a handheld chrono and I dont bother bringing it to fields with me. What about the guy in the bachelor party, who borrowed a gun from his girlfriends brother and has no clue what he is doing? As far as he knows, if he pulls the trigger and a ball comes out, the gun works. Is it his responsibility to know better? Every field should have a chrono, or multiple, ready for use and required to play.
The very first thing I do when I loan out a marker is to show them how to adjust the velocity. I am sure a lot of people do the same. It is a poorly run field if players have to bring their own chronos to ensure everyone is shooting at a safe speed. If a field does not have a chrono, I WILL not play there, and I will put them on blast on PBN. That is recklessness and that type of field can only hurt the sport.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:49 AM #24
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Field insurance will not cover the field if they don't have a chrono and the insurance company knows about it. Every insurance company I know about will not cover a field that lets people shoot over 300fps, I am not a field owner but am very good friends with one. So there is a slim chance I could be wrong.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:31 AM #25
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All fields should have chronos. That's like a Geo3 without evil.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:37 AM #26
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I have a buddy who thinks it's funny to shoot his at 390. When we go to play some rec ball in the woods, I quite often tell him he's gonna seriously hurt someone with those speeds, especially at close range.. I wouldn't even be surprised if he broke someones mask if he was close enough. He just shrugs it off and thinks it's funny and calls me a wuss.

It has nothing about being a wuss, I really don't feel like paying for a new lens or getting hurt at close range. I enjoy playing at my bosses farm to practice, but don't want this clown who shoots hot, shooting at me. How do you deal with that?
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:47 PM #27
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I posted in your thread about this. Your friend is nothing but an ***. I wouldn't play anywhere on the same field as him for that reason alone.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:20 AM #28
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I have a buddy who thinks it's funny to shoot his at 390. When we go to play some rec ball in the woods, I quite often tell him he's gonna seriously hurt someone with those speeds, especially at close range.. I wouldn't even be surprised if he broke someones mask if he was close enough. He just shrugs it off and thinks it's funny and calls me a wuss.

It has nothing about being a wuss, I really don't feel like paying for a new lens or getting hurt at close range. I enjoy playing at my bosses farm to practice, but don't want this clown who shoots hot, shooting at me. How do you deal with that?
I wouldn't play with him then. Why is it that I hear about these people who shoot hot play out in PA? A guy that got me into the sport loved to go out to PA because he claimed he could "shoot hot" there.

I don't play with him anymore.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:05 AM #29
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I can tell a hot gun usually by how fast the ball is traveling (very roughly. I can't tell the difference between 240 and 250, but I know what 300 or so looks like) out of the barrel. My field has a chrono, but usually only puts it out on request, and for small groups, it's up to you to make sure that your gun isn't shooting dangerously fast. If I see a hot gun, or a gun that looks hot, I'll ask them to turn it down. If they don't, I won't play with them. There are no refs at my field, so there's really no one to tell them to cool it down, so there really isn't much you can do in that situation.
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You can visually tell the different between legal shooting (280fps) and shooting hot (300fps) by watching as it leaves the barrel?? I find that very hard to believe. 280fps equals approximately 190mph. 300fps = 204mph. I dont believe the eye can visually tell the difference of a paintball leaving the barrel at that speed. You can barrel even see a paintball leaving the barrel at either speed

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I do agree that it is the players responsibility, but how can it be on their shoulders without a chrono at the field. I am the only person I play with who has a handheld chrono and I dont bother bringing it to fields with me. What about the guy in the bachelor party, who borrowed a gun from his girlfriends brother and has no clue what he is doing? As far as he knows, if he pulls the trigger and a ball comes out, the gun works. Is it his responsibility to know better? Every field should have a chrono, or multiple, ready for use and required to play.
No its the fields responsibility. Its the job to make sure markers are shooting at legal speeds. Trying to pass that off on the players is just signs of a lazy field willing to cut corners

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I have a buddy who thinks it's funny to shoot his at 390. When we go to play some rec ball in the woods, I quite often tell him he's gonna seriously hurt someone with those speeds, especially at close range.. I wouldn't even be surprised if he broke someones mask if he was close enough. He just shrugs it off and thinks it's funny and calls me a wuss.

It has nothing about being a wuss, I really don't feel like paying for a new lens or getting hurt at close range. I enjoy playing at my bosses farm to practice, but don't want this clown who shoots hot, shooting at me. How do you deal with that?
He is going to hurt someone. Possibly in some manner that doesn't ever fully heal. I would report dude to the field refs/managers. 390 can do serious damage. Even if he doesn't injury someone, someone will recognize that he is shooting much hotter than everyone else and will beat the **** out of him for it
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:55 PM #30
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I have a buddy who thinks it's funny to shoot his at 390. When we go to play some rec ball in the woods, I quite often tell him he's gonna seriously hurt someone with those speeds, especially at close range.. I wouldn't even be surprised if he broke someones mask if he was close enough. He just shrugs it off and thinks it's funny and calls me a wuss.

It has nothing about being a wuss, I really don't feel like paying for a new lens or getting hurt at close range. I enjoy playing at my bosses farm to practice, but don't want this clown who shoots hot, shooting at me. How do you deal with that?
I wouldn't play with that guy. Honestly, if its shooting 390, he could seriously hurt someone. I would report him to a ref.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:17 PM #31
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No its the fields responsibility. Its the job to make sure markers are shooting at legal speeds. Trying to pass that off on the players is just signs of a lazy field willing to cut corners
That's a bit one sided. The fields should be enforcing the rules but are you going to make a field ref physically adjust each gun to shoot at the proper speed? And what about once they have chrono'd in, do the refs need to take their guns and check every game? No the players need to take some responsibility but yes it is a shared duty. To say it falls solely on the field is just the player being lazy. If you know that your gun is shooting hot, and go to a field and they dont check, will you go play with it since they field didnt stop you?
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:38 PM #32
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That's a bit one sided. The fields should be enforcing the rules but are you going to make a field ref physically adjust each gun to shoot at the proper speed? And what about once they have chrono'd in, do the refs need to take their guns and check every game? No the players need to take some responsibility but yes it is a shared duty. To say it falls solely on the field is just the player being lazy. If you know that your gun is shooting hot, and go to a field and they dont check, will you go play with it since they field didnt stop you?
I've been to a number of fields that require you to chrono your marker in front of a ref at least once. One makes you do it every game if you have your own equipment. A couple have even had refs carry handheld chronos to watch players mid game. All of these fields are popular in their areas and attract a large number of players.
But this is going off topic from what I was really getting at. Making sure working chronos are available is solely the fields responsibility.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:03 PM #33
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Making sure working chronos are available is solely the fields responsibility.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:14 PM #34
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Knowing how to adjust a guns velocity is the players job....making sure that velocity is safe is the refs job.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:50 PM #35
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That's a bit one sided. The fields should be enforcing the rules but are you going to make a field ref physically adjust each gun to shoot at the proper speed? And what about once they have chrono'd in, do the refs need to take their guns and check every game? No the players need to take some responsibility but yes it is a shared duty. To say it falls solely on the field is just the player being lazy. If you know that your gun is shooting hot, and go to a field and they dont check, will you go play with it since they field didnt stop you?
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I've been to a number of fields that require you to chrono your marker in front of a ref at least once. One makes you do it every game if you have your own equipment. A couple have even had refs carry handheld chronos to watch players mid game. All of these fields are popular in their areas and attract a large number of players.
But this is going off topic from what I was really getting at. Making sure working chronos are available is solely the fields responsibility.
This.

A field could VERY easily do random spot checks as they're coming off the field. Plus, what field doesn't have the chrono by the fields anyway? At worst, it would be very little out of the way.
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That's a bit one sided. The fields should be enforcing the rules but are you going to make a field ref physically adjust each gun to shoot at the proper speed? And what about once they have chrono'd in, do the refs need to take their guns and check every game? No the players need to take some responsibility but yes it is a shared duty. To say it falls solely on the field is just the player being lazy. If you know that your gun is shooting hot, and go to a field and they dont check, will you go play with it since they field didnt stop you?
If the fields wants to stay in business they will make sure to the best of their ability to make sure people are shooting at a safe speed. I have NEVER played at a field where they do not chrono players. After passing chrono, a zip tie is attached to the marker so the field refs and identify those who have chrono'd. And then, there is still periodic checks to make sure people stay chrono'd.
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Are these fields making each player get chrono'd before each game? The zip tie thing has thrown me for a loop. When I first started playing we had to get chrono'd before each game. You shoot then you walk out onto the field.
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Old 06-20-2012, 09:35 AM #38
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If the fields wants to stay in business they will make sure to the best of their ability to make sure people are shooting at a safe speed. I have NEVER played at a field where they do not chrono players. After passing chrono, a zip tie is attached to the marker so the field refs and identify those who have chrono'd. And then, there is still periodic checks to make sure people stay chrono'd.
And yet this whole thread is based on a question about several fields that do not have chronos, let alone spot checks. All I am saying is it is a 2 way street responsibility wise. It is a players job to adhere to the rules and not try to cheat or get around them and it is the fields job to enforce and uphold the rules they run by.
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:50 PM #39
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play at a field that cares about safety...

Just for the record, I don't know of a single person that can tell a gun is hot due to the sound of the bunker being hit...
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I wouldn't pay to play anywhere without a chrono. You play recreationally with friends, chip in and buy one. They aren't too expensive.


I assume anyone shooting 390 intentionally wants to fight me.

Shooting with intent to injure like that could probably be considered assault.
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I just picked up a Virtue Clock. It's more expensive than most handheld chronos, but it's pretty easy to chrono someone without getting in their way too much. And if they dispute that their gun was hot, it saves the reading.
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People think they'll magically get a million times more hits if they turn the velocity way the hell up, it usually end with a pretty gnarly injury on the player that was hurt and the shooter who thinks he's the **** because he can shoot hot enough tobreak someones finger. Stay away from fields with no chrono's it's a recipe for disaster.
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