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Old 06-05-2012, 11:40 PM #1
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Is this what it's said to be? Would like info on it as I just bought it.

Custom Knutec Freestyle
Upgraded to the max-Teched by rockey-Palmer Lpr-Pred Board-Upgraded Feedneck- Custom anno-Cp rail and asa-CF Trigger-1of2 CF eye covers-and i think Hr1 bolt




This is from the for sale posting. I took out price and a few other things, but was wondering if I could get the "Knutec" and "Fs8" part verified as it doesn't seem too much so...


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Old 06-06-2012, 12:16 AM #2
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it is definitely a freestyle but that rear snatch grip has me puzzled
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:18 AM #3
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Seemingly aftermarket.
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I can have a look at it next time you are my way. But this is what I can tell you:

It is an FS7, not an FS8.

Knutec built and tuned freestyles. I only know of one other that was built by knutec. I don't know much about it. Gunsmoke will know more about that. I think he put nox boards in his though.

The trigger and eye covers are carbon fiber? Era designs made a carbon fiber trigger. I have one, but I don't know how many were made. The eye covers are not 1 of 2, if that is what he is referencing. I have two pairs myself.

That is a PPS Rock LPR. Best choice.

I would have to see the bolt to tell you if it is an HR1. I can walk you through timing it and such later.

Is it bronze or gold?
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:31 AM #5
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Oh, the snatch grip is an upgrade available from ICD.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:19 AM #6
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I remember some things.

Knutec=Rocky Knuth of the Naughty Dogs. It is a Knutec FS7, so Rocky probably worked on it and tuned it (unless I am mistaken). However, it is listed as having the predator lite board, which came stock from ICD. When Broodwich had it, or at least when he listed for sale on ICDO, he had it listed with a Nox Reloaded board. I don't really have anyway to know for sure if it was worked on by Hawke or Rocky. I would say that if the nox was parted then it lost part of what made it a knutec freestyle, but that is not really here or there.

And the anodizing was done by acidrain.

And I pm'ed a guy who would know more about it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:04 AM #7
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Pretty sure that is a BF snatch grip. Tom't got the other base pretty well covered. Not a lot else to say until you get the guts out and see what makes it tick. Definitely follow THCGunsmokes tuning guide.
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but it doesn't have a Furious harness, so its not that good. :p

but the snatch grip, i'm thinking it is just a stock FS7 one. i could be mistaken, as i'm not up on FS's as i am B2Ks.
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FS7s didn't come with snatches, though, iirc.
Nor did FS8s or any of the predecessors.
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no, your right. the pin for the FS7 and FSP are the same, i do believe. so a little parts swapping to make the gun easier to hold while carrying it, would be an upgrade of sorts.

the FS8 has a threaded screw to hold the slider bolt it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:44 PM #11
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I think is one of those. The pin looks like it reaches the top. If it were swapped out of an FSP, you would not see the top of the pin. The frame of the FSP is a bit shorter than the FS7/8 because it uses a hosed noid. The pin is shorter to compensate for this.

http://www.shop.icdproducts.com/Snat...FS7-506030.htm

Greg modified FS8s to take a snatch grip. I wanted it done, but by the time I found out that he did it, he was no longer offering it. I cannot seem to find the picture of it though.

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I pm'ed VWG (who owned it before Broodwich) and he said it is not a Knutec. I bet that the seller bought it from Broodwich and saw Gunsmoke's Knutec FS7 and got confused. That is conjecture, but it is the only reason I can think of that he would think it was a Knutec.


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Old 06-07-2012, 09:45 AM #12
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He said the bolt is black and white. I'm assuming the tip is what's black.

Sounds NOXy to me.


And Tom, right? Thank you. It's always good to have a friendly and well informed community.
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Yeah no problem. That is how the icd guys are.

Unless someone changed it out, the bolt is probably still an hr1. The hr1 was created by Hawke and Rocky, but I don't know if it was ever sold under the nox label. The tip of the bolt is white delrin and the rest of the outside will be black with the exception of the copper anodizing on the last piece.
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the ICD is indeed tight-knit. we have to be, there aren't many of us around. so we tend to know each other, as well as know what we have in way of guns, parts and info. so we will catch each other on questions, parts, and will help each other in any way possible. whether its deals for parts, teching problem child guns, or oggling the family we have accumulated.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:24 PM #15
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Well, consider your family one member larger.

This gun is fantastic. But what's with the high friction bolt layout? It seems quite... Stiff. At least moving by hand compared to something like a matrix or shocker...

Also, I heard FS bolts were sprung. This just uses a totally different design then?
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Oh, how would I go about shooting the gun with eyes off? Holding the trigger doesn't seem to cut it.
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that depends on the board you have. if the board has ICD markings then its a 9500 board or a reflashed Predator lite board.

if the board is red with a large bank of 4 dip switches, then its a Kila.

if the board is green with a large bank of 4 dip switches, then its a Promaster board.

pics are best to confirm.

the gun is more of a blow forward or unbalanced spool valve, where the matrix is a balanced spool. the spring helps with FSDO in the FS. but the FS came from the Desert Fox line, so that is a main reason why they are not similar. someone who knows FS more, can explain the design more.
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When you took the bolt apart, did you follow the instructions on gunsmokes guide? If you didn't you probably have to retime it. I would hold off on firing it until you know it is closer to properly timed. The long silver piece, the valve stem, can bend and then you will be SOL on the HR1.

Hold the trigger down when it is on for two or three seconds. If it is a predator lite board, that will turn the eyes off.

Hold the trigger on and turn the board on. If it is a nox board, this will probably turn the eyes off.

The HE (high efficiency) kits were sprung. That is the hr1, which is more efficient.

What kinds of gun oil do you have.
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I took it apart, lubed it, lowered pressures and then shot.

It was set to like 280 psi :???:

So I dropped to 220 to test shoot.


Finish Line Dry.

Works amazing in all my spoolies and poppets.
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They recommend super lube oil, but I like to try other oils.

A properly tuned HR1 should have an HPR pressure of 300-320.

http://www.icd-owners.com/html/index...wtopic&t=16604

Cleaning instructions.

http://www.icd-owners.com/html/index...wtopic&t=16630

Regulator balancing for freestyles

http://www.icd-owners.com/html/index...=152747#152747

HR1 timing.
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oh yeah, forgot. if the board says Nox, then its a Nox. that one is pretty self explanatory.
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