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Old 07-31-2012, 02:12 PM #799
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There is no way you can possibly fault Machine for whatever resale issues you may have had. If you want to point the stick of fault for poor resale at anyone it would be at the people that short sale their own gear for no good reason. Gun whores and traders hurt the resale of every marker. Find me a used DM12 selling for more than $750 and I will show you a very lucky seller.
If I were on my computer I would link many threads. Unless you mis-typed that.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:29 PM #800
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There is no way you can possibly fault Machine for whatever resale issues you may have had. If you want to point the stick of fault for poor resale at anyone it would be at the people that short sale their own gear for no good reason. Gun whores and traders hurt the resale of every marker. Find me a used DM12 selling for more than $750 and I will show you a very lucky seller.
Lol I find that pretty funny coming from you. Your team flooded the market with dm12's and compleatly destroyed dm12 resale.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:49 PM #802
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If you know how to take care of a marker, it'll never go down. That can be said for any marker.

I disagree to this, IMHO, all markers can fail, no matter how well you take care of it
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:17 PM #803
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I disagree to this, IMHO, all markers can fail, no matter how well you take care of it
Failure, as in, an oring can go bad, or a sear can wear out. Those are consumable parts, and that is why they are sold in bulk.


Regardless, John just posted and he didn't sound too happy. Forget the past, let's move on.

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Old 07-31-2012, 03:36 PM #804
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the questions i want to ask is are they paying DLX for use of the detent system? i know the 23 degree was a patent that DLX had also the bolt is almost identical to a Luxe.
A Spurlock actually paying for the use of someone else's design instead of just stealing it outright?

Hahahahahahahahahaha are you joking?

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Old 07-31-2012, 04:46 PM #805
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Didja know DLX uses DPs forward sealing technology patent? Didja know its none of out business what the terms are? didjadidjadidja
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There is no way you can possibly fault Machine for whatever resale issues you may have had. If you want to point the stick of fault for poor resale at anyone it would be at the people that short sale their own gear for no good reason. Gun whores and traders hurt the resale of every marker. Find me a used DM12 selling for more than $750 and I will show you a very lucky seller.

Where did I blame Machine? Try reading what I wrote.

$1650 to $1000 in 2 months....a little excessive dont you think? Dont tell me about resale as Ive sold/traded way more than you

I blame the dealers for undercutting MAP by a huge amount just to move em. Of course all the people bashing it here has scared people off too.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:55 PM #807
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I like the bad resale. Now I can buy a used one cheap
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:05 PM #808
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I like the bad resale. Now I can buy a used one cheap
Sure you can.. and then the company itself has sales hit a stand still because nobody buys new.. Paint Hore is right, this lies with dealers, and players. Not machine.
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Failure, as in, an oring can go bad, or a sear can wear out. Those are consumable parts, and that is why they are sold in bulk.


Regardless, John just posted and he didn't sound too happy. Forget the past, let's move on.

My opening statement for the "new" thread: SO.... How was everyone's day?
Great! Thanks for asking. I want a Vapor (almost had a trade deal with PbN_AutoTrader for one) but I can't afford one right now. One day soon hopefully.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:04 PM #810
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Not a lot of Invasions floating around the bst...oh yeah...quality.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:14 PM #811
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Not a lot of Invasions floating around the bst...oh yeah...quality.
Invasions were made in the same factory.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:17 PM #812
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No ****. Well ill go f myself. Loader would be nice to see in the same year as the marker though.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:16 PM #813
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No ****. Well ill go f myself. Loader would be nice to see in the same year as the marker though.
It would. It's also going to be ~$300.00 resale (or above) if the rumor I heard is true.


How many trigger adjustments are there, to adjust? (With an allen key) for the Vapor?
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i dont care how smart it is, $300 retail is way too high.
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....How many trigger adjustments are there, to adjust? (With an allen key) for the Vapor?
Stock trigger is 2, Acid Customs is making one with 4.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:26 PM #816
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Got my vapor last week played with over weekend had crappy paint that was left in my car all week so stock barrels weren't great but still decent used my freak system straightened the balls out a little. IMO this coming from a poppit style whore just look my collection it's a nice badass gun.. I gladly traded my dm12 and some cash for my vapor.. First shoots way quiter and smoother.. The tool less eye covers are fantastic slightly nervous about wear on them over time might fall out idk will see. Bolt system
Is clean and light not as easy to remove as a ripper victory but think cause it's formed so well to body you have to kinda twist to pull out but stil nice.. Yall say they stole patents from others well my opinion bolt face matches all the shock tech supafly bolts so idk.. Asa fantastic super easy no problems sliding in to a bunker and it coming undone. Factory ape board with quick single push button mode and eye functioning. So my conclusion compared to a dm12 the vapor is golden bye bye dye coulda thrown dm in trash after weekend of playing with vapor..
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:50 PM #817
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I would like to put in my 2cents in here.
Yes I have stepped away from machine as a distributor and a tech. Yes I'm still dealing remaining inventory ( sorry John just clearing the air). I had fun working with machine and the people involved, but in the end trying to represent a New Brand just wasn't something I was able to provide the time for and all the support with a New marker at the time. I have moved over with Macdev as a West Coast warranty repair center and sponsored team. This move was truly a business decision between myself and my wife who own Aggressive sports. We felt the time needed to invest into a New Brand just wasn't something we could commit to as we tried for 3 months and it was a lot to be involved with, just as we did back when running the US for Vanguard over the three years. Of course there are other factors that were a part of our decision to step away but the time involved was just to much.

The Vapor marker
The markers were great and felt they had huge potential going forward even with production just starting out and having Small set backs that were delt with as soon as they arose. My personal Vapor is one of the prototypes and is identical to the production model sold now with the exception of the smaller boar barrels just released. I have sent this marker all over the world with not one single issue. Loaning this marker out to Profesional players down to the store owners and it has never skipped a beat with anyone person whom has used it. Tinkering with a marker as such that was just released is going to happen and know first hand that this was one of the factors of failure with the marker. I feel the biggest reason for failure's with the marker is just the QC once shipped directly with problems. QC is what makes a New Brand stand alone in the industry when releasing New Product from a Brand New Company. Also involving the right people to represent your product and not having anyone person within your Team devalue the product.

Resale

This can only be contributed to the people whom bought them at low cash prices and Trade values. I feel the trade posses as a way to get it cheaper and leaves such a open market for people to devalue any product. Resale is set by You not the manufacture so if you want your markers to hold there Value then stop whoring out the Guns and stand behind the products you purchase.
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This can only be contributed to the people whom bought them at low cash prices and Trade values. I feel the trade posses as a way to get it cheaper and leaves such a open market for people to devalue any product. Resale is set by You not the manufacture so if you want your markers to hold there Value then stop whoring out the Guns and stand behind the products you purchase.
Well said best answer for resale value ever
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[hint:] my pics don't do these markers justice; the pink/teal/green annos GLOW! They're super shiny and almost look like they're dyed. I almost want to have my marker re-anod...almost.

















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