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Old 05-27-2012, 03:50 PM #106
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Is the rumor true on guns having different angles on their barrels? Such as the ego having a slight angle up, giving it a different trajectory?
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Old 05-27-2012, 04:00 PM #107
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No I wasn't worried about being "agg", I just knew PE had a good rep of quality products and I actually loved the Geo2 styling unlike the fugly Droids/Clones. Was thinking DM but they have a mixed rep too.
DMs can be tuned to shoot nice; demons and clones shoot nice. A $500 drone shoots every bit as well as the Geo. You obviously don't rank performance very high so you bought something cute. Blowforward spools are what real companies use for their low end spool. Congrats... your $1250 got you a gun that competes with PMRs, DP, drones and the like. Some of us would much rather have a high end gun that performs like a high end gun.
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Old 05-27-2012, 04:04 PM #108
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Is the rumor true on guns having different angles on their barrels? Such as the ego having a slight angle up, giving it a different trajectory?
If I wasn't on my phone I'd edit my other post, but yes, some guns put the barrel at an angle relative to the drive train. The luxe uses something like a 2.5* angle iirc. It doesn't change the trajectory though (barrel to barrel).
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Old 05-27-2012, 04:09 PM #109
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DMs can be tuned to shoot nice; demons and clones shoot nice. A $500 drone shoots every bit as well as the Geo. You obviously don't rank performance very high so you bought something cute. Blowforward spools are what real companies use for their low end spool. Congrats... your $1250 got you a gun that competes with PMRs, DP, drones and the like. Some of us would much rather have a high end gun that performs like a high end gun.
Congrats, try to **** on me for my choice in buying a Geo2, but I had the money to do it and it DID perform amazing in every category but efficiency. Styling also comes into play and I do say the Geo2 looks great. It also never had a single hiccup where as most people I know with DP's and PM's had issues all the time. I think I win.
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:52 PM #110
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:23 PM #111
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Lol. Nah, just don't try to convince anyone that a Geo is worth a crap. It is a high-priced but low-performing gun that's all. Back on topic, Bob should definitely go with a balanced spool.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:43 PM #112
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Lol. Nah, just don't try to convince anyone that a Geo is worth a crap. It is a high-priced but low-performing gun that's all. Back on topic, Bob should definitely go with a balanced spool.
Oh look, same guy who thinks I'm trolling elsewhere. This time I guess cuz I'm defending the Geo2 performance (other than efficiency)? God forbid people disagree with you.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:20 PM #113
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I don't think he is disagreeing with you, so much as he is disagreeing with PE's decision to use a blow forward style spool valve system over a balanced spool system.
While PE may have made it smooth for its style of engine, if you shoot one next to a balanced spool much like I did today, there is a huge difference in shot quality. I didn't not like the geo, but my 4 year old balanced spool still shot smoother then a geo 2.1.
I'm not looking to argue though. The geo is a nice gun, but there are better out there, and I don't think that is what bob should be shooting after as far as performance.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:24 PM #114
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I shot my Geo2 next to my friend's PM8 and DM9 and I honestly thought they were pretty comparable. As I've said in the OT as well tho and as you pointed out, it's all opinion so it's all good. I shoot my G6R now and love it anyway
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:27 PM #115
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I shot my Geo2 next to my friend's PM8 and DM9 and I honestly thought they were pretty comparable. As I've said in the OT as well tho and as you pointed out, it's all opinion so it's all good. I shoot my G6R now and love it anyway
Yeah, loved the g6r, And will definitely get one in the future. Probably immediately following lurkers release of their new valve or rammer or whatever they have planned.
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You say the clone looks like a shocker, eh?

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hlight=shocker
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You say the clone looks like a shocker, eh?

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...hlight=shocker
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:42 PM #118
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Lol, that thread is a good read and worth a repost.

Anyway, eskeoto pretty much nailed what I was saying. If BLAST puts out a spool I sincerely hope it is a balanced spool preferably one with an LPR. I don't care how they configure the gun really, but it seems the vic would make a good starting point with some copy from the clone drive train.
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:47 PM #119
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I still think the only way I'd buy one is if the efficiency was a drastic improvement from other spools. It's the main reason I ditched shooting them anyway. The G6R offers pretty much all the benefits with none of the drawbacks. Yes a very well broken in and tuned DM/Luxe may be a little quieter or smoother, but also eat double the air so I mean it's personal choice there. I always loved my brother's PM8 and would love to go back to something with the UL frame but like I said with the efficiency (Oh, and Dye's pricing) it makes it tough.
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:05 PM #120
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The key in all this is that with the MARQ and Intimidator, Bob has refined both platforms to the point both shoot similar to spoolies in almost every way though both still retain their Poppet feel and offer superior efficiency and consistency, none more so than the G6r. While the Victory is an excellent Marker, the G6r is even better overall, and the value is unbeatable in comparison to any high-end electro no matter how anyone tries to dissect it.

Spoolies are nice enough but they are more maintenance intensive and are far less efficient than Poppets and as such I see no advantage to them in any respect.
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:22 PM #121
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both still retain their Poppet feel
Here is the problem for me. In paintball, the gun you chose has to feel right and for me personally spools just feel different. I can't quantify or explain it. Also, clones and demons have almost perfected the spool to the point where they have closed a lot of the efficiency gap (with most poppets) while retaining the amazing feel and sound signature that makes them unmistakably spool. I don't think it would be a bad decision for Bob to appeal to the other part of the gun market.
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:28 PM #122
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Poppets can have a very similar sound signature (a quiet Pffft-Pffft-Pffft-Pffft-) to poppets if you know what you're doing.
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The key in all this is that with the MARQ and Intimidator, Bob has refined both platforms to the point both shoot similar to spoolies in almost every way though both still retain their Poppet feel and offer superior efficiency and consistency, none more so than the G6r. While the Victory is an excellent Marker, the G6r is even better overall, and the value is unbeatable in comparison to any high-end electro no matter how anyone tries to dissect it.
thats exactly why i'm buying a g6r. there are A LOT of great guns on the market today, spool and poppet. but the g6r is like the paintball marker perfected. its feel, shot, efficiency, consistancy are all top of the game. no other marker is close for the price
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Congrats, try to **** on me for my choice in buying a Geo2, but I had the money to do it and it DID perform amazing in every category but efficiency. Styling also comes into play and I do say the Geo2 looks great. It also never had a single hiccup where as most people I know with DP's and PM's had issues all the time. I think I win.
The GEO may perform well, but I can't see how anyone can even suggest it's a good looking marker. I understand looks are subjective but really take a step back, and really L@@K at it...

The Body looks like a simple tube with threading on both ends, a feedneck and some minor surface milling and the eye covers almost like like an afterthought almost *** if someone said "hey wait a minute... we forgot to include the eye covers!", and the frame looks like an adapted Ego frame thrown on to complete it as best as it can fit.

The final product literally looks like an L. Leaves so much to be desired IMHPO.
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:48 PM #125
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Poppets can have a very similar sound signature (a quiet Pffft-Pffft-Pffft-Pffft-) to poppets if you know what you're doing.
This is very true. I know nobody here is a big Geo fan, but after installing the LP poppet and Hush bolt into my G6R it sounded and felt pretty much exactly the same as my Geo2 did. Hence my reasoning for saying why ever shoot a spool when a gun like the G6R exists.

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The GEO may perform well, but I can't see how anyone can even suggest it's a good looking marker. I understand looks are subjective but really take a step back, and really L@@K at it...

The Body looks like a simple tube with threading on both ends, a feedneck and some minor surface milling and the eye covers almost like like an afterthought almost *** if someone said "hey wait a minute... we forgot to include the eye covers!", and the frame looks like an adapted Ego frame thrown on to complete it as best as it can fit.

The final product literally looks like an L. Leaves so much to be desired IMHPO.
Lol incubus, I'm just gonna stop you there because in all honesty there's no point arguing aesthetics. I think the Geo2 is quite a nice looking marker, and clearly there are plenty of people that disagree. Just as I feel like the Clone/Droid/Luxe are all rather fugly looking markers, and there are plenty of people who disagree with that. To each their own.
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There are a lot of players with many, many years of experience and a thorough understanding of how various markers work/perform. Some of these people would argue (without bias) that certain spool valve type markers have a sound signature and "feel" which they prefer over other designs. In fact, these experienced and respected players would trade some efficiency for this performance "feature". Of course it's fine if your opinion differs, but to deny what is a reality for many players is a bit egotistical IMHO.
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