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05-08-2012, 04:43 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Socal
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Chopping balls when shooting fast
So after fixing my upside down bolt, I got to play on sunday. The gun shoots great but I noticed that when I was really ripping it, I would break a ball. I couldn't tell what from but my instincts say from the loader. I'm using a Halo B loader and I'm wondering if it's not good enough for the G6R. I was using a pillow bolt with Hostile Lava paint. Any other ideas?
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05-08-2012, 05:27 PM
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Read the manual!!
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: OK
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Make sure all board settings are at stock. To low of a bolt delay will cause chops.
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05-08-2012, 05:57 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Socal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gamer565
Make sure all board settings are at stock. To low of a bolt delay will cause chops.
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It is stock. I even reset to factory settings and it still chops. |
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05-08-2012, 06:02 PM
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Enjoying the Luxe-ry
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ohio, 330
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The halo could be putting to much pressure on the stack
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05-08-2012, 06:11 PM
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Will B/S/T Souls
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Connecticut
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Is it chopping, barrel breaks, breach breaks, or something else?
If the tension or even speed, depending on the board in your halo, is too high and the paint quality and temperature it can crush the ball in the breech letting the next ball in and getting cut by the bolt.
A modern electronic marker shouldn't chop at all to be honest with an electronic loader.
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05-08-2012, 06:11 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Socal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedslayer
The halo could be putting to much pressure on the stack
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How would I alleviate this? |
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05-08-2012, 06:20 PM
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Fear my Join Date
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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05-08-2012, 06:23 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Socal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tabris17
Is it chopping, barrel breaks, breach breaks, or something else?
If the tension or even speed, depending on the board in your halo, is too high and the paint quality and temperature it can crush the ball in the breech letting the next ball in and getting cut by the bolt.
A modern electronic marker shouldn't chop at all to be honest with an electronic loader.
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No idea how to tell the difference. All I know is when the ball exits the barrel, it comes out in pieces and leaves a mess. I'm thinking loader tension fits the bill but I don't have the manual for the empire B2 board. |
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05-08-2012, 06:29 PM
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thebeast
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Missouri
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Are your eyes on?
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05-08-2012, 06:34 PM
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Read the manual!!
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: OK
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What are your pressures at?
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05-08-2012, 07:22 PM
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Fear my Join Date
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexandertg4
No idea how to tell the difference. All I know is when the ball exits the barrel, it comes out in pieces and leaves a mess. I'm thinking loader tension fits the bill but I don't have the manual for the empire B2 board.
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I just linked you to the Halo B's one (which is what you said in the first post) the Empire B2 board can also be found on pbsolutions.
EDIT: actually not it can't. here's the B2 manuals http://www.freak-magazin.tv/media/document/1606.pdf
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Last edited by SKI008 : 05-08-2012 at 08:08 PM.
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05-08-2012, 07:54 PM
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Will B/S/T Souls
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Connecticut
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Barrel breaks will leave paint in your barrel and the breach clean.
Breach breaks leave paint in the breach when the bolt hits the ball usually or right after the bolt hits it.
If the stack is being crushed when you break a ball, degass your marker, remove the barrel. Check the barrel to see if the paint is just breaking in the barrel. Then look inside the breech, remember degass the marker and keep your mask on when you do it, and see if there is a clean ball in position or if there are pieces of shell from a crushed ball beneath it.
Now the other thing is you could have some slightly out of round paint and the barrel bore is too small. What bore barrel are you using and have you tried a bigger bore barrel?
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05-08-2012, 08:40 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Socal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tabris17
Barrel breaks will leave paint in your barrel and the breach clean.
Breach breaks leave paint in the breach when the bolt hits the ball usually or right after the bolt hits it.
If the stack is being crushed when you break a ball, degass your marker, remove the barrel. Check the barrel to see if the paint is just breaking in the barrel. Then look inside the breech, remember degass the marker and keep your mask on when you do it, and see if there is a clean ball in position or if there are pieces of shell from a crushed ball beneath it.
Now the other thing is you could have some slightly out of round paint and the barrel bore is too small. What bore barrel are you using and have you tried a bigger bore barrel?
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Ok it sounds like a barrel break then. From what I remember, the breach was clean but barrel was mucked. I was using a .687 freak insert. The balls were snug but not too snug. The .689 would allow the balls to rolls right through. |
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05-09-2012, 01:02 AM
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Call Me Maybe
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Luis Obispo,CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexandertg4
Ok it sounds like a barrel break then. From what I remember, the breach was clean but barrel was mucked. I was using a .687 freak insert. The balls were snug but not too snug. The .689 would allow the balls to rolls right through.
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sounds like you need new detents |
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05-09-2012, 07:45 AM
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Common Sense Is Tingling
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Potomac Falls, Virginia
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Try a different loader. I never liked to sell B2's I thought they were a little rough. Lowest setting possible....
Sometimes its just the paint and theres not a damn thing you can do. But they do sound like barrel breaks.
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05-09-2012, 12:32 PM
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Old and in the way
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexandertg4
...when I was really ripping it...
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How many BPS are you trying to shoot? 12.5? 20? 25? |
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05-09-2012, 02:10 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Socal
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 510waffles
sounds like you need new detents
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Gun is brand spankin new.
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-man[WarLlamas]
How many BPS are you trying to shoot? 12.5? 20? 25?
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It was when I was shooting about 23-26. |
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05-09-2012, 02:26 PM
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I NEED MY MAKER'S
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: T-Town TX
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ya sounds like paint problem to me, not a gun problem. it just happens sometimes an you can't fix that
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05-09-2012, 08:02 PM
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Will B/S/T Souls
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Connecticut
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alexandertg4
It was when I was shooting about 23-26.
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That could be the issue there.
Slow it down to a standard 12.5 ramping, I'm assuming you're ramping, and see what happens. Or even just 15 bps ramping, that's as fast as you can shoot in a semi tourney for a bps cap. |
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05-09-2012, 10:19 PM
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Team NVS Hawaii
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Hawaii
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U need to cap ur fingers lol  |
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05-10-2012, 10:37 AM
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Now Trafficking in Humans
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Stone Ridge, VA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgyver
Try a different loader. I never liked to sell B2's I thought they were a little rough. Lowest setting possible....
Sometimes its just the paint and theres not a damn thing you can do. But they do sound like barrel breaks.
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I agree 100%. The other issue is that your Halo's eyes could be dying causing paint to be crushed intermittently going into the breach. Not likely but it could happen. If you have a Bolt Delay or Eye Delay setting on your marker make sure it's set to 15ms and make sure your detents are aligned correctly in the breach and the spring isn't kinked...otherwise the balls may be getting pushed past the detents.
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