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Old 05-01-2012, 06:20 PM #1
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Hi guys
especially all with Demons.
First things first, the adjustment on the front HPR relays the air to the fire chamber and to the solenoid,
it needs to run in between 110-125 psi for a full cycling system,
If you change this pressure especially if you go tow low, then things will occur, maybe fsdo maybe bolt stick etc..
Operating pressure needs to stay consistent for the Demon to function correctly.

Rule of thumb.......
dwell of 15.5 fsdo at 100ms fsdo dwell 1.5 on the board, hpr pressure is usually 2 1/2 to 3 turns out from flush , you should be shooting around 300+ right there.
To adjust, then very slightly reduce the hpr pressure, literally 1/4 turn, you should be able to drop your velocity now without having issues.
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:25 AM #2
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Is that FSDO timer setting in an effort to avoid FSDO/Bolt stick from occuring?

I always run my settings like this;

Dwell 15.5 until I get about 8-10 cases through the marker. Then I drop down to 13.5.

FSDO Timer "Disabled"
FSDO Dwell 1.0ms (which really is doing nothing since the FSDO timer is disabled)
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:03 PM #3
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Any idea if the dwell should be any lower than 15 for newish Demons with a Spring bolt.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:39 PM #4
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The bolt probably won't need the 15ms dwell, but I'd still keep it there until you get through 16-20k shots. It'll give you a smoother shot during the break in period. The break in period is generally for the dynamic o-rings. So, once you've gotten beyond that you could if you choose, lower the dwell to 13 or so, for better efficiency, but you're not really going to notice a huge difference to be honest.
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:39 PM #5
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:11 PM #6
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Spring bolt???
It was an option they were testing to try to fix the FSDO issue some users have experienced. Not sure of the outcome.

I think the bigger issue was that most people were confusing a bad QEV diaphragm with bolt stick and FSDO. Granted, some cases actually were bolt stick and FSDO, but I've run all our Demons with FSDO disabled and never had an issue...
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:31 PM #7
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Cause you have the 1 st run of Cans and bolts. This is why you wont see that mike.
Once the boys tried to slicken up the bolt by under sizing the cuts in the machining prosess is when we started noticing more and more issues with FSDO and lock out.
But i know they will try and try again to get it right. Have faith in jason to get it right That wanker

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Old 05-03-2012, 10:17 AM #8
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Will the Demons come set like this from factory when we buy them?
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If they don't, just refer back to here.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:30 AM #10
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Spring bolt???

do you think a pooty spring mod would work on the demon?

if not, where could i get one for my demon if i wanted to try this out?
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do you think a pooty spring mod would work on the demon?

if not, where could i get one for my demon if i wanted to try this out?
You'd have to contact Jason, but I doubt it will happen. I would think if they found it to work, they probably would have rolled it out. Since they didn't....
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:18 PM #12
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Mine came with the spring bolt from the factory and i would be interested to know how many Demons came with the spring bolt mod as standard.

My Demon is only 5 months old as far as i'm aware and has all the current updates from what i know and just presumed the spring bolt was the current update
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Mine came with the spring bolt from the factory and i would be interested to know how many Demons came with the spring bolt mod as standard.

My Demon is only 5 months old as far as i'm aware and has all the current updates from what i know and just presumed the spring bolt was the current update
Maybe I stand corrected...perhaps it is being rolled out.
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Nope you were correct in your previous post,i just found out via a UK Vanguard tech that it was just a trial run that didn't have the desired effect to stop FSDO/Bolt stick.
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id like to hear about an updated can, i mean isnt that to blame for bold stick just as much as the bolt? if we could cure the problems with the 3rd inner o ring. im sure SOMEONE has some insight on this
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id like to hear about an updated can, i mean isnt that to blame for bold stick just as much as the bolt? if we could cure the problems with the 3rd inner o ring. im sure SOMEONE has some insight on this
Oddly enough the V1 can didn't cause Bolt stick...I have (5) of them.
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I dont have any Fsdo on my demon,

I had to put the dwell at 18 for our first practice outside in Quebec Canada, it was really cold out there.

Last weeked I was playing with a dwell of 15 with no Issues at all.

Some friend tried my Demon and were amazed by how quiet and smooth it was.

Some luxe owner were having alot of trouble playing outside until this weeked (it was 20C ) outside on sunday. while my demon was requiring only to up the dwell.


I have found that in order to get the most performance I have to lube to same morning I am playing. If I lube it during the week for the weekend practice, I end up having troubles
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I dont have any Fsdo on my demon,

I had to put the dwell at 18 for our first practice outside in Quebec Canada, it was really cold out there.

Last weeked I was playing with a dwell of 15 with no Issues at all.

Some friend tried my Demon and were amazed by how quiet and smooth it was.

Some luxe owner were having alot of trouble playing outside until this weeked (it was 20C ) outside on sunday. while my demon was requiring only to up the dwell.


I have found that in order to get the most performance I have to lube to same morning I am playing. If I lube it during the week for the weekend practice, I end up having troubles
yep. I tried to get away with lubing my bolt 5 days ahead of time and Saturday I had to pull the bolt out and lube it. Flawless the rest of the day. It's just a 5 minute process you need to go through the day you are using the marker, that's all. Get used to it as part of your routine.
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