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Old 04-24-2012, 06:35 AM #43
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Just to this straight. The black kid isn't allowed to defend himself from the creepy white guy that's following him?

Like I've said before. If it was the other way around it wouldn't take national news coverage to get the kid arrested. As the story stands now, the black kid was harassed and shot by over-zealous mall security and you still think its his failt.

I don't care how many stupid YouTube videos the high school kid put up, or much of a thug his dad is. I don't care if Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, or the Black Panthers have opinions on the case for their own political gain. It doesn't matter.

As I see it, some creepy loser wanted to be a hero. He harassed some kid who was not breaking any laws. The police told him to knock it off. He ignored them. Kept following, got out of his car to fight the kid.... Lost... Then shot the kid. He knew Florida has crazy laws that make it better to kill the only witness and make up whatever story he wants.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:45 AM #44
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Just to this straight. The black kid isn't allowed to defend himself from the creepy white guy that's following him?
defending yourself != attacking somebody
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Just to this straight. The black kid isn't allowed to defend himself from the creepy white guy that's following him?

Like I've said before. If it was the other way around it wouldn't take national news coverage to get the kid arrested. As the story stands now, the black kid was harassed and shot by over-zealous mall security and you still think its his failt.

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As I see it, some creepy loser wanted to be a hero. He harassed some kid who was not breaking any laws. The police told him to knock it off. He ignored them. Kept following, got out of his car to fight the kid.... Lost... Then shot the kid. He knew Florida has crazy laws that make it better to kill the only witness and make up whatever story he wants.
As it stands now, the ONLY word we have is Martin attacked Zimmerman when he turned and started walking away. And as far as I know, there is no one to back that specific portion up. All we have for sure is a witness for the actual fisticuffs (missing the gun shot) and a 911 transcript and recording nearly immediately prior to the fisticuffs. From the recording, Zimmerman didn't sound like he intended to kick some 6 foot 3 inch tall young man ***. *For reference, Zimmerman is 5 foot 9... that is a 6 inch difference (half a foot derp derp). *

How is Zimmerman a "creepy loser" and when did the police tell him to "knock it off"?
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:02 AM #46
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"We don't need you to do that sir.". Is a professional way to say stop following him. It's also a professional way to say stop calling is about non-issues.

Zimmerman looks pretty creepy to me. By Florida law I could blast him, hit myself on the head and make up whatever story I want.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:17 AM #47
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Zimmerman looks pretty creepy to me. ...
Ok, I guess. Looks kind of normal to me. Then again, I live and work down here (they're a bit further south than I am).

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Zimmerman looks pretty creepy to me. By Florida law I could blast him, hit myself on the head and make up whatever story I want.
Not exactly... and you know that.

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"We don't need you to do that sir.". Is a professional way to say stop following him. It's also a professional way to say stop calling is about non-issues...
It isn't an order. It is not what you say it is. His calling about "non-issues" in a community that has been receiving more than its fair share of crime lately also led to the apprehension of a burglar.

And I am being objective about this. Me thinks you aren't.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:12 AM #48
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Some guy following me around when i know i'm doing nothing wrong is creepy. Plain and simple. Some guy claiming to be an authority following me around and has no badge is really creepy. Any extra contact from this person rightfully results in defensive action. If Zimmerman got his butt kicked for doing this he had it coming.

It looks like a typical weekend warrior scenario to me, but other side to this story is conveniently dead. The original officer on the scene thought zimmerman should be arrested. I think a jury should see the whole story and decide. I don't think he's is a racist I just think he's a nut.

My hope is that the prosecutor delayed this case in order for there to be a public outcry about the current stand your ground law. It has been a thorn in their side. There are a number of cases that guilty people got off. It just needs a common sense rework to prevent it from being used in cases like this.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:33 AM #49
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"We don't need you to do that sir.". Is a professional way to say stop following him.
...and "OK" is a professional way to say "ok i will take your advice and stop following him"

People seem to forget that he DID say "OK" when she asked him to stop following, which suggests that he DID stop following, and there is ZERO evidence to back up any other claim.

Thank you, please try again.
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Some guy following me around when i know i'm doing nothing wrong is creepy. Plain and simple. Some guy claiming to be an authority following me around and has no badge is really creepy. Any extra contact from this person rightfully results in defensive action. If Zimmerman got his butt kicked for doing this he had it coming.

It looks like a typical weekend warrior scenario to me, but other side to this story is conveniently dead. The original officer on the scene thought zimmerman should be arrested. I think a jury should see the whole story and decide. I don't think he's is a racist I just think he's a nut.

My hope is that the prosecutor delayed this case in order for there to be a public outcry about the current stand your ground law. It has been a thorn in their side. There are a number of cases that guilty people got off. It just needs a common sense rework to prevent it from being used in cases like this.
You know there's a story after the headlines, right?
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My hope is that the prosecutor delayed this case in order for there to be a public outcry about the current stand your ground law. ...
Why in God's name would you want that?

THIS is what it brings.
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As it stands now, the ONLY word we have is Martin attacked Zimmerman when he turned and started walking away. And as far as I know, there is no one to back that specific portion up. All we have for sure is a witness for the actual fisticuffs (missing the gun shot) and a 911 transcript and recording nearly immediately prior to the fisticuffs. From the recording, Zimmerman didn't sound like he intended to kick some 6 foot 3 inch tall young man ***. *For reference, Zimmerman is 5 foot 9... that is a 6 inch difference (half a foot derp derp). *

How is Zimmerman a "creepy loser" and when did the police tell him to "knock it off"?
Right, because the other guy in this scenario is dead. Does that not tell you how ****ty this law is. The kid was on his way back from a 7-11 to place where he was supposed to be to watch the second half of a basketball game. We know that much. He ended up dead, and the only guy that knows what happened will wrap himself around this bad law and walk. Bad law. ****ty, half-assed investigation = guy walks and we'll never know.
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Is it really a bad law though? If Martin did in fact attack Zimmerman did he have a right to defend himself? If we are to believe the story that Martin approached Zimmerman and punched him in the nose, breaking it, then slammed Zimmerman's head into the ground, causing two cuts while he cried for help for what seemed like 30 seconds, we better realize as a society that how Zimmerman responded likely saved his life and it should not be interfered with.
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Right, because the other guy in this scenario is dead. Does that not tell you how ****ty this law is. The kid was on his way back from a 7-11 to place where he was supposed to be to watch the second half of a basketball game. We know that much. He ended up dead, and the only guy that knows what happened will wrap himself around this bad law and walk. Bad law. ****ty, half-assed investigation = guy walks and we'll never know.
No, that doesn't tell me how ****ty the law is. I'm not even sure he is using stand your ground vs self defense for his defense strategy. I don't know how this could show how ****ty that law is, if it is ****ty at all and isn't being sensationalized. Unless... you assume guilt until proven innocent.
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Right, because the other guy in this scenario is dead. Does that not tell you how ****ty this law is. The kid was on his way back from a 7-11 to place where he was supposed to be to watch the second half of a basketball game. We know that much. He ended up dead, and the only guy that knows what happened will wrap himself around this bad law and walk. Bad law. ****ty, half-assed investigation = guy walks and we'll never know.
They law works as intended, and has done so in tha past. Plenty of people have pleaded self defense in Florida and been charged because the evidence suggected otherwise. The only thing the law does is not make it a crime to defend youself in public if the shooting is ruled by the authorities as self defense. It does not change anything.
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Right, because the other guy in this scenario is dead. Does that not tell you how ****ty this law is. The kid was on his way back from a 7-11 to place where he was supposed to be to watch the second half of a basketball game. We know that much. He ended up dead, and the only guy that knows what happened will wrap himself around this bad law and walk. Bad law. ****ty, half-assed investigation = guy walks and we'll never know.
and my question is...


WHO THE F' CARES?

So some kid is dead, big deal. There are 6.5+ BILLION people on this planet. One or two more dead is not going to send our species into extinction.
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Oh look, overbear came and said something stupid. How novel.
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Oh look, overbear came and said something stupid. How novel.
So, what was so special? You tell me kid, tell me what makes this guy any different from any other person on the planet?

Come on man, you seem to have all the answers, so lets hear it. Why is this so called "murder"(its not) any different from the thousands a day that happen all over the world and why should any of us care any more than we do about the others that happen?

Or, are you suggesting "THIS" one is more important, more valid, and more "tragic" than others. That this one kid was...what? the second comming of christ or something?
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Hey, more stupid stuff. I particularly like how you create arguments and then attribute them to me. That's pretty cool.
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Hey, more stupid stuff. I particularly like how you create arguments and then attribute them to me. That's pretty cool.
I don't know if I should laugh, or weep for the future of mankind.
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I'm sure if you knew the type of stuff I am responsible for on a daily basis you would have a stroke or something.
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