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Old 04-22-2012, 01:37 PM #22
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Why would you feel the need to respond with force to somebody that is following you? Do you think you would feel equally as threatened as somebody breaking into your house?
I said I'd be ready to defend myself, not that I'd respond with force simply because someone was following me. I'm not going to pull out my work knife and stab someone for following me, though I probably will have it in my pocket ready to open if the need arises. I'm really not even trying to weigh in on what happened, just that renegades comment that if he was doing nothing wrong he shouldn't even pay attention to a stranger following him is a little unrealistic. If someone is clearly following me, I'm going to assume they are up to no good.

If someone breaks into my house there is a high chance they won't survive, but what does that have to do with anything?
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:50 PM #23
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Why wouldn't you feel the need to respond with force to somebody that is following you? Don't know about you, but I'm not going to be that guy that gets mugged and murdered because some ****bag wants my personal belongings. I would be prepared to defend myself, with my firearm, if someone was stalking me at night time in a sketchy area.
Being followed does not present me with a situation of immediate harm. In most law, you are only allowed to respond with less or equal force that is used against you. If somebody is following you and you pull out a gun or knife, you will be seen as the agressor.
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:01 PM #24
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I said I'd be ready to defend myself, not that I'd respond with force simply because someone was following me. I'm not going to pull out my work knife and stab someone for following me, though I probably will have it in my pocket ready to open if the need arises. I'm really not even trying to weigh in on what happened, just that renegades comment that if he was doing nothing wrong he shouldn't even pay attention to a stranger following him is a little unrealistic. If someone is clearly following me, I'm going to assume they are up to no good.

So you would probably wait until the situation escalates to a point where you see no other option than to extinguish the threat, correct? Like if somebody were to punch you in nose and slam your head into the ground whilst screaming for help? If you are so gung-ho on self preservation you should jumping at the chance to defend Zimmerman's actions.

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If someone breaks into my house they will likely not survive, but what does that have to do with anything?
Because home invasion gives a reasonable expectation to respond with force as your life is in immediate danger, stalking does not.
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:10 PM #25
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So you would probably wait until the situation escalates to a point where you see no other option than to extinguish the threat, correct? Like if somebody were to punch you in nose and slam your head into the ground whilst screaming for help? If you are so gung-ho on self preservation you should jumping at the chance to defend Zimmerman's actions.
Like I said, I'm not taking sides with my comment, merely pointing out what I perceive as a flaw in Renegades post.

I don't know what really happened, neither do you, and that's why I'm not jumping in and taking sides.
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Where does that stance stop? Do you have to wait until a jury completes their decision to make a personal opinion? There's plenty of factual aspects to this case where you can piece together an accurate picture of the events.
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Am I obligated to take a stance on every public trial?
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I thought you said you didn't take a side because you didn't know what really happened. Hence the question of when you make the determination that you know what really happened. It was a simple question. Otherwise, taking that outlook, you can hardly form an opinion without seeming hypocritical.
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Ethical issues with prosecutor. This should have been included in the deposition. Mistrial here we come. This is what happens when you take the blindfold off of lady justice.
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Is this a joke? ZIMMERMAN was following the kid, ZIMMERMAN even called police to tell them what he was doing, ZIMMERMAN ignored the 911 operator's advice to wait for the real police to show up. If ZIMMERMAN hadn't been "patrolling" the neighborhood this kid would have gotten home fine. And not to mention, if you're driving around like a wannabe police officer and packing heat, the absolute first thing this sociopath is going to do when somebody approaches him is to pull out his gun (and probably get a hard-on because of it), not let Martin swing first.

Ask yourself, what is more likely:

1. Zimmerman gets his fat *** out of his car, says "hey kid stop!", tries to restrain Martin, a scuffle ensues, Martin tries to get away, Zimmerman shoots him.

2. Zimmerman gets his fat *** out of his car, says "hey kid stop!", Martin approaches a strange guy who yelled at him in the middle of the night, starts beating him up, Zimmerman shoots him.



This "I don't give a **** about anybody but myself" attitude is really sickening.
What the **** are you even talking about?

Have you followed anything more than the first day of this case?

In the 911 call, the 911 operator asks Zimmerman "Are you following him?" Zimmerman replies "Yes". The operator then responds "We dont need you to do that sir" Zimmerman then replies "Ok".

Please tell me how IN ANY WAY you came to the conclusion that Zimmerman ignored the operators advice and kept following? He CLEARLY says "OK" when she tells him to stop following. He then goes on to talk about meeting the officer at the mailboxes, then he just asks to have the officer call him when they arrive.

In no ****ing WAY does any of that imply that he kept following and attacked Treyvon. you are just making **** up along with the worthless media fodder you got fed when this case firt broke news. I suggest you go read up on the facts youre missing.
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The root of the issue is which one of them started the confrontation. There are 911 tapes where he made it clear he wasn't going to wait for the police against the instruction of the operator. Again, what do you think is more likely to have started the altercation? A wannabe police officer with violent felonies, and that "second dick" rush of packing heat? Or a kid walking home with a week-old marijuana charge (which is clearly very important to the story, as the gentleman below me pointedly remarks)?



The fact that you bring up possession and the clothes (which are not even tangentially related to what we're talking about, they're a way of rationalizing this nutcase's behavior and saying "it's okay, Martin was a thug anyway") is pretty ridiculous.

Neighborhood watch is supposed to be an unarmed WATCH organization that calls the real authorities in case of trouble, not an armed vigilante group. There is no way of knowing exactly what happened, but Zimmerman had a proven history of violence (towards police, no less). I think most people are smart enough to know that, even when piss drunk, you just don't touch an LEO. He obviously doesn't have that sort of judgement or self-control. He's patrolling a gated neighborhood with a gun, and he sees some hoodrat that he thinks is going to cause riff-raff.

On the other hand, you have a kid (whose worst crime was conjuring negative stereotypes) walking home with no history of anger or self-control issues, and best of all, NO GUN.
The conjecture you have about Zimmerman being a wannabe and being asked not to follow has nothing to do with the actual legal self defense aspect. The second part of you calling out the original post you quoted for stating Martin got in trouble for weed is the same bull**** conjecture you just tried to pull.

The last part I bolded points out how the media was able to sensationalize and rally support if not blatantly race bait the public on Martin's side. Martin was suspended for 10days from school. The media posted up baby faced pictures of him when he was younger, and painted Zimmerman as a white guy even though hes half hispanic (but the president is black even though he is half white?), as well as neglecting his physical attributes of being shorter and stockier and not in very good shape it sounds like.

^Although some, all, or none of that may be true, it has NOTHING to do with laws regarding self defense and standing your ground or duty to retreat.
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George:


26 year old 5'9" Mortgage Analyst. Has wife, owns his own home. Member of his neighborhood watch program.

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17 year old 6'2 Football player, recently suspended from school for 10 days for drug use, wondering a neighborhood he doesnt live in at night with a hoody on.


now which scenario is more plausible?
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Oh man, not a kid playing around flipping off a webcam, good lord that just proves he was a scum bag.


There is so much stupid on both sides of this case.
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with gold teeth and his pants around his knees? That isnt "some kid playing around" it clearly portrays an image, which is why his parents immidately deleted all the crap off his twitter, facebook, and youtube accounts, then gave the media a picture of him before he was a thug.
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Food for thought: http://www.13wmaz.com/news/topstorie...tes-on-the-Web

also, How about you take your own advice and focus on the facts of the case, which don't include a couple facebook photos. How do you know he isn't just playing around? back when I was a teenager I took "thuggin'" photos of myself because I was bored, does that make me a thug? no.
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Nonetheless, he still has gold teeth and represents that "thug" image. There are multiple images with his hat backwards as well.

Let me just point out that the article shows no actual evidence that the image is fake other than saying "its from a different Trayvon Martin"
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There are multiple images with his hat backwards as well.
you are....joking right?


In regards to who that is in the photos: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001791912868
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oh some other thug... surprise.

and no im not joking.

also his dad went from thug to suit & tie once he hit the media LOL
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