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Old 05-21-2012, 09:24 AM #379
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Is that test really equating preference with hatred?
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:19 PM #380
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You know that: effort + popularity =/= good teacher

That being said, who cares? You've had a bad experience with X group so you are weary of them? So what? You don't like Pinoy because they don't use utensils when eating? So what? It doesn't matter.
FYI even close to getting a NBC is an accoplishment and speaks in it of itself. No shame in being a good teacher no matter how others want to paint it. I would also point out that its not just about being popular. In education, word gets around when you are a cut above the rest, via students, parents, other teachers and administrators. Generaly speaking, effort = good teacher. I would say lots of effort + knowledge in your content area + ****load of overtime = great teacher. The "+ populatrity" is normaly a bonus and comes about because of said effort.

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Old 05-21-2012, 02:20 PM #381
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Please make note, I taught for a few years. While I have no experience teaching children, I understand more than most.
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Granted. Teaching children is its own pandoras box though. At what capacity did you instruct? BTW can you pm your recipie for that sauce again? Cant remember what thread it was on (lets talk homosexuality?) Having a boil this weekend and I wanted to do some of those crab cakes...
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:53 PM #383
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FYI even close to getting a NBC is an accoplishment and speaks in it of itself. No shame in being a good teacher no matter how others want to paint it. I would also point out that its not just about being popular. In education, word gets around when you are a cut above the rest, via students, parents, other teachers and administrators. Generaly speaking, effort = good teacher. I would say lots of effort + knowledge in your content area + ****load of overtime = great teacher. The "+ populatrity" is normaly a bonus and comes about because of said effort.

Congrats Viking. Here's to the end of the schoolyear!
Thanks for understanding! It's quite refreshing!

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You know that: effort + popularity =/= good teacher

That being said, who cares? You've had a bad experience with X group so you are weary of them? So what? You don't like Pinoy because they don't use utensils when eating? So what? It doesn't matter.
Absolutely, I understand that. But don't worry, I'm not into it for popularity's sake. I hate that aspect of the job, but marco makes an EXCELLENT point. Positive word of mouth makes the job a LOT easier - in that there's a lot less hassle from parents, teachers and administrators which makes it possible for me to do my job much easier.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:00 PM #384
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Granted. Teaching children is its own pandoras box though. At what capacity did you instruct? BTW can you pm your recipie for that sauce again? Cant remember what thread it was on (lets talk homosexuality?) Having a boil this weekend and I wanted to do some of those crab cakes...
I taught young men everything from how to kill a man to how to destroy the world to hydraulic theory and Bernuli's principle to electrical theory and advanced troubleshooting skills and everything in between. I also taught older men humility and tempered knowledge into wisdom.
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I taught young men everything from how to kill a man to how to destroy the world to hydraulic theory and Bernuli's principle to electrical theory and advanced troubleshooting skills and everything in between. I also taught older men humility and tempered knowledge into wisdom.
That humility part can be a tough one to teach. I can't teach anyone math, how to read and write, but I can effectively teach someone how to stay alive in a gun fight and maneuver, close with and destroy the enemy that stands in the way between them and peace. My ways are not always sound, and I've made grown men cry, but you gotta break someone down before you can build them up and mold them into what you want.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:15 PM #386
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I taught young men everything from how to kill a man to how to destroy the world to hydraulic theory and Bernuli's principle to electrical theory and advanced troubleshooting skills and everything in between. I also taught older men humility and tempered knowledge into wisdom.
Off topic, I know, but did you play on GTF Corps for a while?

In other news, of the 3 articles I saw on Yahoo today about this case, one was neutral, 1 was very pro-Trayvon, and the other was very pro-Zimmerman. So it was an even split. Maybe this is a good sign?
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media already ruined this case as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:37 PM #388
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I'd agree with that. Seems everyone is polarized to one side or the other, which would make it very difficult to get a fair trial, I think.
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Old 05-22-2012, 04:01 AM #389
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The media further divided America as far as race goes. Just breeds more racism.
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I'm relatively convinced that was the whole goal to begin with.
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Ya know, "racisim"(most overused buzz word in existance) and sterotypes exist because there is a kernel of truth in them. They happen because its basic human nature, claiming someone who is "racist" is a bad person is like claiming a horse that kicked you because you walked behind it and spooked it, is a bad horse.
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Ya know, "racisim"(most overused buzz word in existance) and sterotypes exist because there is a kernel of truth in them. They happen because its basic human nature, claiming someone who is "racist" is a bad person is like claiming a horse that kicked you because you walked behind it and spooked it, is a bad horse.
You mean like gay guys being really good dressers?
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You mean like gay guys being really good dressers?
We are...well most of us are
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Ya know, "racisim"(most overused buzz word in existance) and sterotypes exist because there is a kernel of truth in them. They happen because its basic human nature, claiming someone who is "racist" is a bad person is like claiming a horse that kicked you because you walked behind it and spooked it, is a bad horse.
Racism is more than simply assumptions. It's about value. What kind of world do you live in? People don't object to thinking black people like chicken. People object to systemic racism. The kind that makes black people get hired much less than white people with the same resume. The kind that makes prosecutors much more likely to give someone the death penalty if the victim is white. The kind that makes white people (who smoke more weed per capita) get arrested much less than black people. The kind that makes black people get much higher jail time for drug possession than whites.
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Racism is more than simply assumptions. It's about value. What kind of world do you live in? People don't object to thinking black people like chicken. People object to systemic racism. The kind that makes black people get hired much less than white people with the same resume. The kind that makes prosecutors much more likely to give someone the death penalty if the victim is white. The kind that makes white people (who smoke more weed per capita) get arrested much less than black people. The kind that makes black people get much higher jail time for drug possession than whites.
I have an issue with your example about the work place. Two candidates who have identical resumes and qualifications are going to be chosen based on how well they relate to the employer. At that point its all preference. Choosing a worse candidate over a better one due to race can be seen as racism.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:22 PM #396
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I have an issue with your example about the work place. Two candidates who have identical resumes and qualifications are going to be chosen based on how well they relate to the employer. At that point its all preference. Choosing a worse candidate over a better one due to race can be seen as racism.
What makes a better candidate? Different industries, different folks. One might be better suited for a job based on his resume, but everything passed that point is subjective. Gonna higher the better candidate, with a Masters, to work at McDonalds? No, he's over qualified, you higher the worse one. What if's he's black though? Then it goes from over qualified to you having a race preference.

****ty example, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
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I have an issue with your example about the work place. Two candidates who have identical resumes and qualifications are going to be chosen based on how well they relate to the employer. At that point its all preference. Choosing a worse candidate over a better one due to race can be seen as racism.
Boston College did a study where they made 2000 resumes with the exact same qualification (except different names) and applied for a variety of jobs. 1000 of the resumes were given white sounding names. 1000 were given black sounding names. The 1000 white names were given a call back at roughly twice the rate of the black names.

You don't see a problem with that?

(Also, you do see that you ignored my entire premise to focus on one example.)
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The media isn't helping things. My problem is that black people continue to segregate themselves. They aren't African-Americans anymore, unless they have a parent born in Africa, they are Americans. I don't run around saying I'm Czech-American, neither do you. If you were born here then you are American, whether your black, white, brown, pink or yellow.
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