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Old 04-06-2012, 11:27 AM #64
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:34 AM #65
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Close the poppet down from the sweet spot (maybe more like .75 turns out), raise the pressure, then set dwell last, minimizing it. You can run a bit less dwell at the higher pressure. I also recommend polishing the brass outer diameter of the poppet, since when actuated it's not stable in the gun. YMMV.

Bolt timing has remarkably little impact on the efficiency of the gun, it's all in the poppet system. Unfortunately, with the lighter spring, higher pressures get harsher and harsher. The v2's clever integrated bumpering system will help a bit, but you're essentially fighting yourself when going for the overall tuned gun effect.
Yeah, that is the direction I am headed. I wish I could polish all of the poppets for the teams but I can not get all of them.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:39 AM #66
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What's involved in polishing a poppet? Steel wool with some sort of chemical?
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:55 AM #67
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What's involved in polishing a poppet? Steel wool with some sort of chemical?
Polishing Poppet

I made a thread about this a while back while testing lurker's bolt, check it out.

I actually just polished mine a few days ago for the season

i use the polishing wheel on a dremel with brasso, makes it shine like a mirror. when your cleaning the polish off after you can feel it slipping around in the cloth it's so much more smooth.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:31 PM #68
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You also want to coat not just the o-ring, but the brass with a VERY thin layer of lube. The "skirt" of the poppet will make contact with the bore, that's why it's brass. Preventing that rubbing from grabbing the poppet (and you'll help prevent oxidation with the lube too) will keep things consistent.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:32 PM #69
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You also want to coat not just the o-ring, but the brass with a VERY thin layer of lube. The "skirt" of the poppet will make contact with the bore, that's why it's brass. Preventing that rubbing from grabbing the poppet (and you'll help prevent oxidation with the lube too) will keep things consistent.
What does doing this help exactly?
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You also want to coat not just the o-ring, but the brass with a VERY thin layer of lube. The "skirt" of the poppet will make contact with the bore, that's why it's brass. Preventing that rubbing from grabbing the poppet (and you'll help prevent oxidation with the lube too) will keep things consistent.
yeah that's how i always lube my poppet. i just put a little lube on the side of it and rotate it between my two fingers keeping slight pressure. gives it a nice thin coat, with little ridges of lube, awesome for the winter time to avoid stick from over lubing.

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What does doing this help exactly?
This helps for people who are tuning their axe/mini with a lowered pressure and backed out backcap. When stock the poppet is being pushed back and forth with 200psi or so.

Boss and Lurker made bolts that are lightweight and designed for lowered pressure. For sweet spotting the poppet you need to have it around 1.5 turns out instead of the stock .75 turns. That's twice as far for the poppet to travel, and at a much lower pressure, 120-150psi instead of 200psi.

By polishing the sides of the poppet, and then applying a very thin coat of lube over the sides and oring, you allow it to operate with the lowest amount of friction possible at the lower pressure. By having a faster, snappier poppet cycle, it raises your fps by a small percentage, like 5-8%, so if you were shooting 275fps, at a lower pressure and further out backcap, polishing your poppet you should see it chrono at 285-290fps.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:04 PM #71
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yeah that's how i always lube my poppet. i just put a little lube on the side of it and rotate it between my two fingers keeping slight pressure. gives it a nice thin coat, with little ridges of lube, awesome for the winter time to avoid stick from over lubing.

This helps for people who are tuning their axe/mini with a lowered pressure and backed out backcap. When stock the poppet is being pushed back and forth with 200psi or so.

Boss and Lurker made bolts that are lightweight and designed for lowered pressure. For sweet spotting the poppet you need to have it around 1.5 turns out instead of the stock .75 turns. That's twice as far for the poppet to travel, and at a much lower pressure, 120-150psi instead of 200psi.

By polishing the sides of the poppet, and then applying a very thin coat of lube over the sides and oring, you allow it to operate with the lowest amount of friction possible at the lower pressure. By having a faster, snappier poppet cycle, it raises your fps by a small percentage, like 5-8%, so if you were shooting 275fps, at a lower pressure and further out backcap, polishing your poppet you should see it chrono at 285-290fps.
If it wasn't polished would that cause any damage within the gun? Or cause any problems?
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:07 PM #72
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If it wasn't polished would that cause any damage within the gun? Or cause any problems?
No, not at all. That's why the poppet is made of brass. It's a very soft metal and kee knew that if the poppet walls contacted the inside bore of the bolt guide, when unseated, it should be with brass. don't get me wrong, the finish on the stock poppet is very smooth, it just lacks that deep polish that is possible with brasso, to make it work even better.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:47 PM #73
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Lol I did mine a long time ago. I just did it cause I like it looking shiny. I did the inside parts of my regulator as well, along with my solenoid, and pretty much everything that has any moving parts contacting it. It shoots really really good.
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Just got my Infamous Bolt!

First impressions....

-Same great quality you can expect from Boss, same simple packaging, and instructions
-Spring kit is nice. The different sizes are easier to distinguish than the colors and not being conical is a plus.
-The Infamous bolt slides easier on the guide than the V2. Not that I ever had any issues with the V2, but its noticeable.
-My V2 was setup with the yellow spring, back cap 1.5 out, 4ms dwell. I put the infamous bolt in with the small spring, same settings, the shot feels smoother and the sound has a bit more crack to it than the "chuff" of the V2. Still pretty quiet with my ultralite.

I'm at home with no chrono so I'll check in again once I hit the field tomorrow. So far I'm diggin' this bolt. I know what you're all thinking... yes, I am very happy with my purchase.
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:36 PM #75
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Just got my Infamous Bolt today and placed the settings as recommended (Dwell 3.0ms, 140psi, 1.5 turns out) but my velocity is staying right around 245+/- 10fps. My Axe has only about 400 paintballs through since I got it new so when do I need to consider it broken in?
Is there anything that I need to do to increase velocity to 280fps other than just turn up the regulator pressure?

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Old 04-07-2012, 02:33 PM #76
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I Just put the infamous bolt with the short spring and what a difference its like shooting a different gun. zero kick, sounds different, I used the settings that they say start with 140 psi and 1.5 turns out. and im shooting in the 285/290's, im also using old paint so I understand the jumping numbers but overall im 100% satisfied

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Just got my Infamous Bolt today and placed the settings as recommended (Dwell 3.0ms, 140psi, 1.5 turns out) but my velocity is staying right around 245+/- 10fps. My Axe has only about 400 paintballs through since I got it new so when do I need to consider it broken in?
Is there anything that I need to do to increase velocity to 280fps other than just turn up the regulator pressure?

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Are you running the stock barrel? Paint may be a bit small for your bore.
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I Just put the infamous bolt with the short spring and what a difference its like shooting a different gun. zero kick, sounds different, I used the settings that they say start with 140 psi and 1.5 turns out. and im shooting in the 285/290's, im also using old paint so I understand the jumping numbers but overall im 100% satisfied

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I didn't get to play today but I did put about 1000 rounds of marbs through my gun with the infamous bolts. Not one break, shoots smooth, consistent, and quiet. I was using my .684 ultralite and the marbs were about .682-1, still getting great efficiency and +/- 2 over the chrono.
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I can say Drew Templeton's gun was running 3 ms dwell, 1.5 turns out on the back cap, short spring and 122 PSI, chronoing in the upper 290's. Not one broken ball all weekend.
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Thanks for the replies and help, will try a more precise barrel back. When I tested the Axe i used DXS Silver with a 0.687 dia back, the paint is still a little smaller than the bore size but I would not think that would have made a 30 to 40 psi difference.

But for future guidance stay at 140psi or less and always 1.5 turns out on the adjuster and dwell settings 1.0 to 4.0ms with the Infamous Bolt?????

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Thanks for the replies and help, will try a more precise barrel back. When I tested the Axe i used DXS Silver with a 0.687 dia back, the paint is still a little smaller than the bore size but I would not think that would have made a 30 to 40 psi difference.

But for future guidance stay at 140psi or less and always 1.5 turns out on the adjuster and dwell settings 1.0 to 4.0ms with the Infamous Bolt?????

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Everything is about right but the dwell. You really don't want to run at 1ms. 3 for the short spring, 3.5 for the med spring anf 4 for the long spring.
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Old 04-08-2012, 09:14 AM #83
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Weren't they running empire sniper kits? Those settings probably aren't happening with a stock barrel, the ES kit has 9" of control bore. I notice a very significant different when switching from the stock barrel or my .689 UL to a .684 eigenbarrel.

Just saying, a bolt really can't effect how much air is metered out from the poppet, you're only changing with spring tension and friction:

1. The poppet timing, which does NOT change actual air flow.

2. The amount of air from the poppet chamber to actually get the gun to cycle. The poppet is opened more suddenly with a slight underbore and slightly higher pressures, which is why those setups are so much more efficient - it's all about getting the poppet to shift quickly
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Yes, that is why I recommend people run a barrel kit or a great single barrel like the Eigenbarrel.
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