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Old 12-25-2003, 04:20 PM #1
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Hey, big decision, need advice

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i just got 230$ for x-mas, should i use it all and have my cocker turtled and annoed?, or buy a nexxus kit, and save up to the turtle conversion?
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Old 12-25-2003, 04:26 PM #2
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Keep in mind that the body milling and annodizing add ansolutely NOTHING to the performance whatsoever.

My opinion is that your Outkast looks a lot better than a turtle cocker. Your $230 would be better off getting a new loader or new mask, maybe new pod pack. The Dye shoes look pretty sharp.
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Old 12-25-2003, 04:27 PM #3
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its all up to you... if you want a different color and marker lighter go with turtle but if you want better performance go wit nexus kit.
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turtling a cocker does add performance, jackass.
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i think i may go nexxus, then save the rest up, and get it turtled to finish it
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Old 12-25-2003, 06:41 PM #6
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seems like the way i would go ..........
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Old 12-25-2003, 07:03 PM #7
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get a dez bolt... $75
maybe ff spring kit and hammer
but i dont think ull see a huge difference with a nexxus kit... i think its a ton of hype

edit: didnt see u had a kanner kit

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Old 12-25-2003, 07:10 PM #8
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Personal i think it is stupid to get a gun turtilized. If you want a half block like gun, get one that was made that way. All of the guns that i have seen that have been halfed look dumb personally, as they werent meant to be choped off. I would personaly get gun upgrades, and i would get hand picked stuff, not just the nexus kit. If you pick your stuff you get the best, and not just what came put togehter. I would grap a Halo b if you dont have one, or a new tank.

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turtling a cocker does add performance, jackass.
Tell me EXACTLY how a turtle body adds performance?

P.S. When you call someone a "jackass" or any other names, it only hurts your credibility.
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Old 12-25-2003, 07:23 PM #10
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LOL have i mentioned i love this guy yet? Hes new and hes already ruling the older guys.

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PS imma with you, i dont think it adds anything, but he might come back with stuff bout the valve design and lack of a cocking rod.
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Whenever someone mentions turtle conversion, I immediately think of Dana Carvey wearing a turtle suit in Master of Disguise. Can you imagine the employees at Turtle Cockers all wearing turtle suits as they maul your cocker body with a Dremel? GUFFAW!!
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Um. No.

your a funny guy...

a turtle cocker conversion dramatically reduces the cocking mass of the gun. if you cant understand why that help performance then yes, you are a jackass. and i think it applies to your absolutly hilarious joke about the turtle employees.
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Lil Mike might be being a dick about but he is right Turtling does increase performance. But only with an electro setup. It wont help a mechanical cocker except for reducing the cocking mass may allow for pinchs instead of chops but thats about it. But once again reducing the cocking mass equals more bps.
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how "drastic" is this weught reduction? i am thinking i can get close to that without the turtle conversion.

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the turtle conversion takes away a good bit of wieght that will give you a gun that cycles faster...they also make you cocker a impulse basicly by putting the pullpin through the bolt and into the hammer makes it just like an impulse so its kinda not a cocker anymore...kinda ghey is you ask me but I like the idea
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the turtle conversion takes away a good bit of wieght that will give you a gun that cycles faster...they also make you cocker a impulse basicly by putting the pullpin through the bolt and into the hammer makes it just like an impulse so its kinda not a cocker anymore...kinda ghey is you ask me but I like the idea
yes and no. Yes it puts the pullpin through the bolt and does go down into the hammer, but it is not stuck there like a impulse. The way it works is that there is a slot on the hammer so that when the marker cocks itself it pulls the hammer back, but then moves forward. All it does is eliminate the need for a cocking rod. Ingenious really. Not really like an impulse other than the cut down look and the pullpin, not that other markers dont use a down pullpin... like a timmy, or a viking, or...

On the weight side: it takes a great deal of moving mass away. All of the markers like this work incredibly well. They have almost no kick, and cycle at incredible rates because they have so little moving mass. Getting one of these conversions done to your cocker makes your cocker almost like an efficient trix.
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Old 12-26-2003, 11:59 AM #17
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Well currently owning 2 Race FF's and 2 matrixes (nyx and an LED) i can say that i really do not notice a "kick differance" inbetween my two races and my trixes. I have not noticed alot of kick in the races and they cycle at 20+bps for me already so i see no need for the conversions. Plus i think they look ugly unless tehy are made that way. . . aka halfblocks. I also think with a Slik Back block and a Nyltron or lighter bolt i can get my cocking mass very low anyways. I dunno maybe ill grab a half block and see how i like it this coming season.

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PS as far as over all weight, does this conversion get your cocker anywhere near the weight of a timmy? Ice child if your out there can ya weigh your half for me?
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i dunno what kinda timmy your talking about but all the cockers ive ever held were lighter than any 2k2 timmy ive seen shot or held
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um. . . well then you have held some super light cockers. All the timmies i have held or shot or HAVE are way lighter than my lotus mini and my millenium.

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It is $225 to send your body to Martin for a full milling and annodized halfblock. Much cooler than the turtle.
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It wont help a mechanical cocker except for reducing the cocking mass may allow for pinchs instead of chops but thats about it.
Nope, the force of the ram is what will determine whether there's a chop or not. Take a turtle and crank up the LPR, and you'll chop as you would with a "normal" body.

Turtles make the marker lighter and have less kick. The lighter moving mass allows for faster cycling which means it's possible to get faster ROF.

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how "drastic" is this weught reduction? i am thinking i can get close to that without the turtle conversion.
Personally, I doubt that. Bob Long quoted that his backblock, bolt, pullpin and pump arm combined weighed about 30-35g. I'd have to search to get the exact number. Chances are with a full bodied cocker your bolt alone will weigh close to that.

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It is $225 to send your body to Martin for a full milling and annodized halfblock. Much cooler than the turtle.
Martins cockers are pretty much the same thing as a turtle, except the turtle has a delrin backblock.
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