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Old 03-19-2012, 06:45 AM #1
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Hey guys, I just picked up this demon, it's only has like 300 shots on it, and it has this strange leak. It also has some pretty bad consistency, over the chrono it would be like... 270,305.286,295,271,298,278.
Also the leak is only sometimes.

I was told it was only bought about 4 weeks ago (from shootnpoo), but the marker came with the 3rd can buna oring, and the lube was that old green stuff. I changed the 3rd can oring to poly. And used hater marmalade for lube, since my dow55 isn't here yet. Other than the leak and the consistency, it shoots great.

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Old 03-19-2012, 09:10 AM #2
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From what I gather the leaks are from minor issues with the can tolerances. Usually the dow 55 helps since it swells the orings a bit. Others have cured it by using vaseline to lube things up.

If you can locate the leak more specifically you can try swapping the problem oring for a few others to see if you can find a slightly larger one until you get your dow 55.

Other people have had a problem with the air transfer hole oring that seals air from the grip frame into the gun. Check and make sure that's clean and lubed as well.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:41 AM #3
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From what I gather the leaks are from minor issues with the can tolerances. Usually the dow 55 helps since it swells the orings a bit. Others have cured it by using vaseline to lube things up.

If you can locate the leak more specifically you can try swapping the problem oring for a few others to see if you can find a slightly larger one until you get your dow 55.

Other people have had a problem with the air transfer hole oring that seals air from the grip frame into the gun. Check and make sure that's clean and lubed as well.
Had you watched the video I posted of the leak? You can put your finger at the top of the trigger and feel the air.
I'll try the dow55 when it comes in and see if that helps, if not, vaseline.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:16 AM #4
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The can that is in that marker is the one prior to there update of can issues. That is why it has black buna in the 3rd can position. Put back the black buna and turn the pressure down. Sounds as u have the pressure to high to compinsate for the oring just installed and your leaking out the noid cause of it. After the shot pressure is creaping back up in the reg after fire chamber has filled.
Replace oring back ti buna, zero out reg and go 1 1/2 turn out on hpr with a high pressure bottle to start, then so on after.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:24 AM #5
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So there are other changes to the actual dimensions of the can itself rather than just swapping the 3rd oring for poly? Is it possible for me to get the updated parts if so?
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:36 AM #6
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That can is the update prior to this update can which they are having issues with. The can you have is what they will be going back to from what i hear. But if u want the can they are running now ask vanguard!
Im just telling you what's in the gun and how yo fix it.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:38 AM #7
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Alright, I will try what you said first. The tank in the video was high pressure, but my tank that will be in this week has a ninja reg on it (so its adjustable) what pressure do you recommend I run?
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:41 AM #8
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:54 AM #9
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Thanks, I'll do this later today and update.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:16 PM #10
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So there are other changes to the actual dimensions of the can itself rather than just swapping the 3rd oring for poly? Is it possible for me to get the updated parts if so?
You don't want the updated can, trust me.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:35 PM #11
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Well that's scary...I hope I don't regret getting rid of my NT for one of these...
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:26 PM #12
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You don't want the updated can, trust me.
I've been complaining about bolt stick issues for the longest time and I have the updated can. Switched my 3rd oring to the poly starting lubing with Vaseline " great advice, your advice " and keep my dwell at 18 and my gun has been flawless ever since. Super smooth and have seen amazing results at the chrono +-2
Thanks for all the help!

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Old 03-19-2012, 04:33 PM #13
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The can that is in that marker is the one prior to there update of can issues. That is why it has black buna in the 3rd can position. Put back the black buna and turn the pressure down. Sounds as u have the pressure to high to compinsate for the oring just installed and your leaking out the noid cause of it. After the shot pressure is creaping back up in the reg after fire chamber has filled.
Replace oring back ti buna, zero out reg and go 1 1/2 turn out on hpr with a high pressure bottle to start, then so on after.
this cleared up all my issues. now shooting perfect
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What size is that 3rd can o ring? Seems I don't have any spares. Have to re use the one I pulled out so I'm hoping it's not damaged. I'd like to have some spares though, so whats the size?
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What size is that 3rd can o ring? Seems I don't have any spares. Have to re use the one I pulled out so I'm hoping it's not damaged. I'd like to have some spares though, so whats the size?
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Shootnpoo, your advice seems to have solved my issue, thanks a bunch. Vanguard should just include vaseline with their markers lol
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:22 AM #20
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The oring that you are referring to, should it be the BN70 or BN90?

Also saw that pooty has some that are Tight Fitting 017 for Polished Luxe Bolt & Loose Fitting 017 for Non-Polished, wondering out of these four options what exactly I am in need of for this o-ring if I was to run into trouble with leaks as the thread started did.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:42 AM #21
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my chrono readings were still a tad inconsistent, at least to what I've seen reported here after using vaseline ( +/-2). Mine were something like. 275,285,278,292,298,280,280.
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