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Old 03-16-2012, 09:58 AM #1
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Rick Santorum's war on porn

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...222833811.html

How does anybody take this guy seriously? The economy is in the ****ter, oil prices are going through the roof, and we're on the verge of starting another unwinnable, never-ending war with Iran, and he thinks one of this country's biggest problems is pornography??.

Aside from possible First Amendment issues, why can't anybody seem to learn that prohibitions and the resultant black markets they create are usually worse than the problems created by the activity that was originally banned?
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Old 03-16-2012, 11:02 AM #2
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How does anybody take this guy seriously? The economy is in the ****ter, oil prices are going through the roof, and we're on the verge of starting another unwinnable, never-ending war with Iran, and he thinks one of this country's biggest problems is pornography??.

Aside from possible First Amendment issues, why can't anybody seem to learn that prohibitions and the resultant black markets they create are usually worse than the problems created by the activity that was originally banned?

well the left thinks this country's biggest problem is women having access to the pill so what's your point?
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Old 03-16-2012, 11:03 AM #3
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Big Rick is taking this too far man..
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:40 PM #4
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I can't believe anyone places their new president hopes in Santorum. If he is the republican candidate, if anything, Obama will get more votes in the presidential election. Count on it.



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well the left thinks this country's biggest problem is women having access to the pill so what's your point?
Murph, what's your stance on programs like food stamps, state or federal provided healthcare for children, and other similar types of welfare?
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Aside from possible First Amendment issues, why can't anybody seem to learn that prohibitions and the resultant black markets they create are usually worse than the problems created by the activity that was originally banned?
Incorporationist vs Non-incorporationist

That being said, no. People haven't really learned why the prohibition didn't work. People still don't know who the driving force behind it was.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:39 PM #6
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I can't believe anyone places their new president hopes in Santorum. If he is the republican candidate, if anything, Obama will get more votes in the presidential election. Count on it.
Agreed. If Santorum is the nominee, Obama will win by at least 8-10%. He's way too nuts for most people to vote for. He can win in the states where Obama doesn't have a snowflake's chance in hell, but he won't win any of the more moderate states.
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How many states has Ron Paul won?
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Old 03-16-2012, 02:21 PM #8
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I'd love to go through Santorum's computer. I bet it's more interesting than Harvard's ex dean of theology was.
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I'm pretty conservative typically, but Santorum just crossed the line. When you start affecting the little things in life like freedom of expression (pesky First Amendment), that pretty much closes the book to me.

It used to be that Republicans wanted less government. This is not that. In fact, it'd probably mean enlargement of an existing agency and their powers within our nation, or the creation of another one with far-reaching powers. And how would he define pornography? I understand he means Hustler and Vivid Video. How about home movies and pictures? What about Hollywood putting some nudity into movies? Where is the line drawn?

If Santorum wanted to draw a reaction, he's going to get one from this. Maybe not the one he wants, but he's going to get a reaction.
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It used to be that Republicans wanted less government. This is not that. In fact, it'd probably mean enlargement of an existing agency and their powers within our nation, or the creation of another one with far-reaching powers. And how would he define pornography? I understand he means Hustler and Vivid Video. How about home movies and pictures? What about Hollywood putting some nudity into movies? Where is the line drawn?
I don't know Santorum's specific position is on this matter, but the Miller test leaves regulation of pornography squarely within the realm of state power and really seems to give a pretty wide berth to the States ability to regulate within the confines of the Constitution.

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1. whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards (not national standards, as some prior tests required), would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;

2. whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law; and

3. whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California

For a supposed conservative to dive headfirst not only into outright prohibition of a type of expression (if one is to call porno that), but into a realm which has long been the province of state regulation, should tell you exactly what you need to know about this guy.
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The "states rights" line was never actually about states rights but enforcement of discriminatory laws and social codes.
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The "states rights" line was never actually about states rights but enforcement of discriminatory laws and social codes.
Yeah I know, which is the whole ****ing joke of the matter with regards to this stance on pornography: it completely unveils a lot of these attempts to masquerade attempts at legislating morality as purely constitutional matters of federalism.
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Murph, what's your stance on programs like food stamps, state or federal provided healthcare for children, and other similar types of welfare?
it's a very simple stance actually....burn them all to the ground

so i was reading something the other day thanks to scienceguy, shocking in itself i know, and i found out the tax credit for adoption is damn near 14k for each kid. That's up for the previous 1k thanks to the healthcare reform act.

I think i know what my new profession will be...I'm going to adopt a bunch of 17 year olds and kick them to the curb in a year.
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The only chance this country has of getting our rights back and back to economic stability is through Ron Paul. But because every single person in this country is a Sheep to social media / fox news and just the idiocracy this joke of a country is becoming; He sadly wont have a fighting chance
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santorum was never about less government, evident throughout the debates. Explicitly evident. He is the other side of progressivism.
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Srsly... and some people call Ron Paul the crazy uncle...

Is he running for president of Grand Inquistor??

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Why do Paulbots think that everyone who doesn't vote for RP is a sheep/idiot?
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Why do Paulbots think that everyone who doesn't vote for RP is a sheep/idiot?
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Is this guy trying to WIN an election? Smart move to alienate 90% of potential voters. Maybe more.
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Can't wait when he gets exposed for having child porn or something ridiculous these Bible thumpers typically hide but insist everyone else do as they say not as they do. The most 'conservative' blowhards seem to have the most baggage.
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I have conversations with many Obama bots in person and online and the vast majority are so uninformed about the BS Obama stands for and spew misinformation about Ron Paul spoon fed to them via MSM.

This is anecdotal of course but its insane that Obama supporters have no idea what NDAA is, think that no matter what he doesn't abroad in other countries is right, despite the general lack of historical knowledge of how sanctions are an act of war that hurt the citizens more than the government and effectively get citizens to become hyper nationalized against the US. Meanwhile they think Ron Paul is an isolationist whose only support are people who want to smoke weed who hates women, which is so far from the truth.
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Call it what you want but people who watch Obama's recent propaganda films (whose comments are all pre-approved on youtube BTW) don't bat an eyelash at his nonsense about bailing out GM, saving the company, without regard to the fact the Ford was doing good without government money, the Fukushima/Tsunami disaster greatly effected Toyota as well as the false allegations of a sticking accelerator that provoked a massive recall for no reason. On top of all that, the UAW contributed massively to Obama. People don't even know that the major banks Americans overwhelming didn't want to bail out, were top contributors to Obama and McCain in 2007 and again in 2011 for Romney/Obama.

You know the most common arguments? "It's Bush's fault, the republicans are trying to make him look bad, he needs more time, etc..." all excuses with virtually no back up. No idea that Ron Paul predicted the housing bubble while the jerk offs (Barney Frank, Chris Dodd in particular) didn't see it coming yet are the masterminds behind who to reform our financial regulations. So lets write legislation on something we didn't know was coming MONTHS before the meltdown while Paul saw it coming in 2005?

This seems typical of the average Obama supporter, obviously there are somewhat more informed Obama supporters who can actually muster up a counter argument or cite some government statistics they don't realize are deliberately misleading but they are few and far in between in my experience and I am actively campaigning in my state, classes, acquaintances.
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Oh Obama had major brainwashing in the last election, no doubt. But since you recognize that, I would expect you to be able to see the same in your own camp.

Let's be honest. We don't elect a president on policies and potential. We elect them on looks, social trends, and misinformed bull****. People's political views are more informed by their parent's political views than it is their own thoughts and they simply seek conformation bias at every turn.
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