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Old 02-20-2014, 10:42 AM #253
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My axe is fairly new. I really want to try this. I have the Lurker bolt installed with about 2 cases through it.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:05 AM #254
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I would wait to start tuning your axe, try to get about 4 or 5 more cases through it before you start adjusting it. it'll allow for the break-in period and allow your axe to adjust to new settings.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:11 PM #255
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Todays results tuning my axe with this method-
Axe Carbon Pro, Super Freak, .680 with marbs, Infamous bolt
Ended up almost 3 full turns out on back cap
180 psi
5 ms dwell
last chromo before leaving was 284,279, 282,282,285,etc all > +/- 5
Although pressure was much higher than expected, very quite, shots were tight and super consistent.
Far cry from recommended starting settings with bolt, though.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:00 PM #256
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Axe gauges are not always accurate... some are on point some are basically useless they are so far off.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:03 PM #257
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Axe gauges are not always accurate... some are on point some are basically useless they are so far off.
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:35 PM #258
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5. Adjust pressure to proper chrono speeds.

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Is it safe to assume that once you get this 'dialed in' you will adjust any future velocity issues with the pressure and NOT the back of the marker (normal velocity adjustment)?

As an example: marker was working great for three months then you see a decrease / increase in velocity due to weather, marker break in or maybe paint (?) - then you would just adjust the pressure again and not touch the back velocity.

I did a quick search and browsed the previous post but did not see anything in reference to this asked. I haven't had this issue yet but it is merely hypothetical.

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Old 03-12-2014, 01:40 PM #259
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Is it safe to assume that once you get this 'dialed in' you will adjust any future velocity issues with the pressure and NOT the back of the marker (normal velocity adjustment)?

As an example: marker was working great for three months then you see a decrease / increase in velocity due to weather, marker break in or maybe paint (?) - then you would just adjust the pressure again and not touch the back velocity.

I did a quick search and browsed the previous post but did not see anything in reference to this asked. I haven't had this issue yet but it is merely hypothetical.

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Yes. Variance in paint will throw the settings off a bit. The problem is if you run too close to the sweetspot with your initial setting then changing the pressure can make your velocity go haywire. That's why I tune pretty conservatively.
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:54 PM #260
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That's why I tune pretty conservatively.
Can you define what you think "conservative" is?

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Old 03-12-2014, 04:43 PM #261
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I almost always start with the back cap 1 turn out and set the reg to velocity with stock dwell on new guns. It makes them smoother that they'd be otherwise, but aren't overly aggressive settings either. I seldom ever run my back cap more that 1.25 turns out even on my main gun, just because the consistency seems best there.
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I usually go .25 turns in after sweet spotting just because it seems to improve consistency. Pressure is usually relatively unaffected, and dwell is also about the same.
Are one of these your conservative? Maybe conservative is a little bit of both? Found the above with a quick search by your name on from the same forum post we are in.

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Source: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=4051197

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TUNE FOR CONSISTENCY/ BALANCE
This is my personal method... I find it to be almost as smooth as any other method, but much better over the chrono (no random shots at <200fps and pretty efficient). Basically you find the sweetspots and back off of them. That is both the dwell and the lift. The increased reduced lift negates any affects of the increased dwell usually. I'd say as a baseline, if you look at where you are at over a chrono with the sweetspotting method and make these small adjustments, you should be at almost the same velocity as before. For dwell, I back off the sweet spot and entire ms and for lift I go in a full 1/4 turn... So, my general settings typically look like this:

Back Cap: 1/4 turn in from sweet spot (~1.25 turns out)
Dwell - .5 - 1ms UP from sweet spot (~5.5 to 6ms)
Pressure - fairly low (~160psi)

Doing this will build some "pad" into your tune and will allow you to simply adjust your reg pressure to compensate for varying conditions throughout the day. You shouldn't have to retune multiple times in a day. The 4 axes I maintain on a regular basis are all still pretty close to where I initially set them with some small adjustments made as they break in.
Sorry... kind of confusing but I think you mean that last quote as your 'conservative' tune.

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Old 04-02-2014, 08:19 PM #262
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used this method....274 +/- 1, abit on the loud side though, it may be the eigenbolt or deadlywind barrel, idk,

my friend has his axe the same way and his is quieter
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:12 PM #263
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Sorry... kind of confusing but I think you mean that last quote as your 'conservative' tune.

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My bad. Didn't notice I had missed you. Yes, that is my normal setting across the board. Now I usually just set the back cap to 1.25 turns out, then set the velocity and lastly I set drop the dwell to about 6 and start dropping it until the velocity changes. Almost always that lands me at 5.5-6 with the Lurker bolt.

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used this method....274 +/- 1, abit on the loud side though, it may be the eigenbolt or deadlywind barrel, idk,

my friend has his axe the same way and his is quieter
I suspect your dwell is a touch high. It seems to me that overdwelled is the biggest contributor to sound differences.
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Old 05-27-2014, 10:09 AM #265
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Just used this tuning method Saturday and all I can say is WOW! after sweet spotting my poppet to 1.25 turns out I had to bring HPR down to 140psi. Now this axe is super quiet. I was able to get 8 pods out of 3000psi on my 68 tank and 679 bore.
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Old 09-17-2014, 02:10 PM #266
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When starting the tuning process, what should the dwell be set at before slowing it down?
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Old 11-07-2014, 10:47 PM #267
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My axe right now is at 150 psi, stock dwell, stock bolt, and it still can shoot over 300. Very quiet, smoot, and is +/- 4. I love my axe!
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Old 11-07-2014, 10:49 PM #268
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My axe right now is at 150 psi, stock dwell, stock bolt, and it still can shoot over 300. Very quiet, smoot, and is +/- 4. I love my axe!
And back cap is at 0.5 turns out playing reball at 250 fps
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I just set my stock Mini yesterday. 180psi and .75 turns out. +-10. Can't get it any better for some reason regardless gun psi. I don't wanna turn my back cap too far out or it'll probably get more inefficient.
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I just set my stock Mini yesterday. 180psi and .75 turns out. +-10. Can't get it any better for some reason regardless gun psi. I don't wanna turn my back cap too far out or it'll probably get more inefficient.
Raise your dwell a bit and try again

- and make sure your poppet is clean
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Old 11-08-2014, 01:10 PM #271
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Raise your dwell a bit and try again

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I'll give that a try, thanks! Will it make my shots a bit closer?
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I'll give that a try, thanks! Will it make my shots a bit closer?
Not necessarily, but it is one of the parametres you can tinker with.... the most important part of getting shot to shot consistency on the Axe, is making sure the poppet is clean and the o-ring on it is not damaged.

That is ofcourse assuming you are shooting paint which is round and consistent and is matched to your barrel.... as the paint quality and how it is matched, is by far the biggest reason for inconsistency, on any marker.
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Not necessarily, but it is one of the parametres you can tinker with.... the most important part of getting shot to shot consistency on the Axe, is making sure the poppet is clean and the o-ring on it is not damaged.

That is ofcourse assuming you are shooting paint which is round and consistent and is matched to your barrel.... as the paint quality and how it is matched, is by far the biggest reason for inconsistency, on any marker.
It' a Mini actually. But yeah I have a Lurker barrel kit to match with my paint.
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