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Old 02-22-2012, 10:20 PM #1
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Bolt Oiling

Not a noob, but this has always been biting at me.

Why do people keep saying to avoid lubricating your bolt on a poppet valve marker?

I do so with all of them and the breeches look mint and clean, have no anodizing wear, the bolt doesn't get rough in any place and the gun tends to seal better with less crap falling in the ram (for my exposed breech poppets).


So why, may I ask, is it so bad to drop Dow33/Synthetic Grease or Gun/Pneumatic tool oil into the breech/onto the bolt of a poppet valve marker?

(Discounting marqs, of course.)
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:38 PM #2
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some of the plastics that are/were used for bolts will swell with the oils, but that never stopped me much either. the bolts on a few of my guns got grease around the air port area to give a better seal.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:09 AM #3
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i have never noticed swelling in any of my bolts either. there was hardly any wear in my karnivor's breach and i used that sucker almost every weekend for 2 years.

i see it being "possible" for some oils to make delrin swell, but i dont see any paintball specific or air tool oil causing any swelling because......well...it was kinda made to be used with stuff like that.

marq's get some oil/triflow on the actual bolt part of the firing assembly.

only downside i can see you oiling/greasing your bolt is that it attracts dirt and grime...but i would still rather have at least some lubrication going on rather than just raw sand going back and forth in my gun because i didnt put anything on it. only other thing bad i can think of about grease is since its thicker it might cause more "drag". oil helps stuff slide, grease helps stuff seal more than it reduces friction imo.

ego's seem to have excessive breach wear. maybe their bolts are more exposed than others?
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:01 AM #4
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I've never seen a problem with it, it is better seals which is all around better, as far as keeping it look nice, I don't think thats the oil
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I too have heard that products like Dow 33/55 can swell plastics. But I always have some Triflow on my Bolts, and have never noticed any issues.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:53 AM #6
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I use gold cup on my bolt not grease, works great for me.
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IIRC this has more to do with the delrin than the oil. Early delrin bolts weren't all created equal, if you had a bolt that was made out of poor quality delrin it was given to swelling. Also, I remember the problem had more to do with using gun oil, which was still acceptable at the time, rather than air tool oil or grease.

Rebel, maybe PE is using tighter tolerances.
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Actually it has more to do with the base of the oil than the delrin. It's water that causes delrin to swell, so a water based lube could do it. However, the amount of swelling that takes place is relatively limited from what I recall.

I know when delrin bolts began gaining popularity, Hoppe's 9 was a common oil in paintball. However, I'm not sure if that is based on water either.

In any case, many bolts have o-rings on them, which require to be oiled or lubed to stay in decent condition. Any claims of "self-lubricating" bolts are complete garbage.

A decent (short) article on the subject of delrin bolts: http://www.thingpaintball.ca/delrin.shtml
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Awesome. Thanks for the reassurance.

And yeah, I knew about the water based oils swelling bolts, but I thought all PB/Airtool oil wouldn't have water in it because of what it's designed to be used in.

Also thought that they use polymers like POM (Poxymethylyne) and Acetron to negate the effects of water-based material. Kind of.
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If it's got o-rings, it gets lubed. If it doesn't, it don't. That's my philosophy.
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Welp, Angel bolts are Oring-less. Still need some love IMHO.
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Something else to consider is that a bolt with too much oil may spew it into the barrel/chamber, causing paint to spin excessively and produce the effect of a ball break. It won't be nearly as pronounced but it can be noticeable.

In any event, I've been shooting egos for 5 years now without oiling the bolt and never had a problem. Two drops on the rammer and it's good to go.
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I lube both my timmy bolts, but just not as often as I lube my spoolies.

Like every 3-4 cases or so. I agree with nerdcore: "If it's got orings, it gets lube".
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I lube both my timmy bolts, but just not as often as I lube my spoolies.

Like every 3-4 cases or so. I agree with nerdcore: "If it's got orings, it gets lube".
Indeed.

My GEO got grease after every practice: around 2 cases.

My Ego/Etek get Oil on the rammer after every practice and on the bolt after every fourth practice.
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Oiling an open bolt style marker like Intimidators, Egos and guns like that will typically attract dirt and dust in dry dusty areas. I personally oil them but I think that is the reasoning behind some of it.
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I remember when they came out it was a direct response to the SLIK bolts, which I have in my Lotus. I don't think they every got any lighter than SLIK so they branched out and started covering other markers. I can't keep track of all the stuff I heard about them.
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:27 AM #18
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Man, I've wanted SLIK **** forever.

I guess I'm not cut out to have it since it only sells for exorbitant amounts when I have absolutely no money.... which will kind of be a recurring theme for the next 5 or so years.
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Well the only thing I can think of is putting Dow55 on a delrin bolt. Makes it stick a little but its barely noticeable at all. Just something you would notice if you tried to move the bolt back and forth after lubeing.
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Many guns can function without it and some guns like the old Impulse did not need it. Could just be carry over. Best answer is to try it both ways and develop your own opinion that would then be based on experience.
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Exactly why I use grease on my bolts and oil on FASORs
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