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Old 02-17-2012, 01:36 PM #1
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2-Way Ram

So it has probably been a few years since i have even seen my E-Bolt but i just found it and have been reading up on modifing it. I have the Pycho ballistic E bolt. I guess my first question is does it need to be or can this ram be modified to be 2-wayed? i realize a new chip and niod are required but i figured i see if it is even possible first. If so can someone for the love of god provide instructions on how to do this. i can mill and tap anything that needs to be i just need to know where to. i have looked all over the place and all the links that were provided were dead. so anything recent like pictures or a walk through would be awesome.

P.S. i have been looking for the plans for Natural Newbies ram and First Out to possibly just have one made at a local shop but have had no luck.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:32 PM #2
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is this for an autococker or a tippmann marker?
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:58 PM #3
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it is for a 98 custom.
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Old 02-17-2012, 05:22 PM #4
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Yes it is very possible. The psycho ballistic rams are already tapped and threaded for 10/32 fittings. There are two ways that I know of to do this. One is to keep the 10/32 barb that psycho ballistics originally has in place and to put another 90 degree barb directly above/adjacent to it. Another way is to take out a plug from the back (either location) and to plug the original psycho ballstics 10/32 barb and to move that barb to hole directly adjacent to it. Then to use a 10/32 barb in the back where you pulled the plug. Also for it to work you will need to seal the ram sleeve. Using Fullymodded's guide from model98.org, you will need a 11/32 drill bit and to dril down into the brass ram rod guide. Just enough to fit an o-ring into there. Also you will need a washer small enough to fit between the o-ring and the ram sleeve. If need be I can provide pictures later.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:02 PM #5
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http://tbish.webs.com/tippy.html

Here is a site and a picture showing a 2-way ram. I can't advise you on where exactly to drill as I haven't seen my e-bolt in years (I think my mom threw it along with my Ion away...)

You understand EXACTLY how the 2-way process works, correct?
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:30 PM #6
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Soledus, that is exactly what i was looking for. I did see these plugs but i just wasnt sure if that was what i use. as for the drilling and seals, i will check out that site, but if you could throw up some pics that would be helpful to me and probably anyone else looking to do it.
thanks again.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:49 PM #7
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searched for Fullymodded's post but searching for his name comes up with 155 pages of results, i got to page 25 and gave up. also looked up 2way ram and no luck.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:52 PM #8
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Hold on I'll get pics in a second. Here's a link to fullymodded's guide. I used this to seal the ram rod guide.

http://model98.org/forum/phpBB3/view...hp?f=40&t=9538
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:29 AM #9
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Okay here's the plugs that you can put any 10/32 barb. They both will provide the forward action of the ram.


However if you decide to use those, you need to keep the plug and put it where i have my straight fitting barb.


Or you can do what I did and keep the straight barb where it is originally and utilize the hole directly adjacent to it. I had to create a channel so that it would fit flush with the receivers (im using a battery case so I need it flush to fit a battery in there).


If you do it like I did you will need to modify your receivers. Here's what mine look like.


And what it looks like with the cover.


Lastly you will need to seal the ram. Up above is the link for the guide. You will need a 11/32 drill bit and to drill into the brass like so.


The o-ring should fit flush.


Lastly a small washer to prevent the o-ring from sliding into the ram sleeve.
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:25 AM #10
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You are the man! these pictures seriously are perfect. ok so that link is dead so i am just gonna wing this one and go by your pictures. how far down did you drill in to the brass... just enough get the oring to sit flush???
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:20 AM #11
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Yes be very careful. I just barely pressed the button on the drill and it went down far enough. I then went in with a dremel to remove the sharp edges and to polish it.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:25 AM #12
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Idk why the link doesn't work. But here's the information from it.


Author: fullymodded


This is a simple step by step guide on how to two way a stock ram. The stock setup for a ram is a single action spring return. that means that air from the solenoid enters the back of the ram propelling it forward and then a spring in the front of the ram propels it backward. This setup only allows the ram to cycle about 13 times a second. What this mod does is it replaces the spring action with a air return, thus creating a double acting ram. In this setup air from the solenoid propels it forward, and then it vents and another source of air from the solenoid propels it backward. This will allow the ram to cycle at much higher rates, and with qevs (quick exhaust valves) the ram will be able to cycle even faster.

Stock ram setup



Two way setup



Materials:

1.) 11/32 drill bit

2.) 7/32 drill bit

3.) 5/32 or #21 drill bit

4.) Two #7 o-rings

5.) 10-32 nut (same as the nuts on the right reciever)

6.) Teflon Tape

7.) Adjustable Wrench

8.) Drill

9.) 10-32 tap

10.) 1/16 id tubing

11.) 10-32 barb

12.) 4 way solenoid (View on Airsoldier)

The 4 way solenoid is needed because the one that comes stock on an ebolt is 3 way meaning it has one feed hole, one exhaust, and one feed for the ram. The 4 way has one main feed, two exhausts, and two feeds for the ram, one for each chamber. They are sometimes reffered to as 5 way because they count each exhaust seperate but the 4 way term just counts the two exhausts as one.

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Your stock GTA ebolt board is compatible with the new 4-way solenoid valve. This is because the only difference between 3-way and 4-way manifold solenoids is the manifold itself. You do not need a new board to use the two-way ram setup. However, since the GTA board is electronically capped at 13 cycles per second, you will not be able to take full advantage of the improved ram operation.



Step One:- Drilling the holes

a.) Drill the return hole in the ram with the 5/32 or #21 drill bit.

b.) Drill the nut out with the 7/32 drill bit.

c.) Using the 11/32 drill bit drill the back of the ram cap out until when you put the o ring in it is level with the top of the cap.






Step Two:- Tap the return hole

a.) Using the 10-32 tap insert it in the hole and turn it going 1/2 turn in and the 1/4 turn back until all the way through. (lube the tap with either water or some of your gun oil while doing this)

b.) Take the ram to the sink and wash all of the metal shavings out.



Step Three:- Put the ram together and install a o-ring

a.) Put the ram internals all together and make sure to put a little loctite on the plunger when you screw it in.

b.) Take the little O-ring thing off the plunger and replace it with the oring you bought.

c.) Put some teflon tape on the cap and screw it into the body.

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Old 02-18-2012, 09:29 AM #13
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That's the exact guide that I was looking for to show him! The link was dead for me as well.

Oh well, I'll refer back to this when I find my e-bolt.

Hey Soledus, which hoses provide the forward/rearward action of the ram in your pics?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:43 AM #14
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the original barb( gold straight barb) would be the forward motion because that is how it is set up as a stock 1way. second barb (90degree silver barb) would be the return.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:53 AM #15
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That's the exact guide that I was looking for to show him! The link was dead for me as well.

Oh well, I'll refer back to this when I find my e-bolt.

Hey Soledus, which hoses provide the forward/rearward action of the ram in your pics?
Clear provide forward action, black provide return action.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:55 AM #16
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Soledus what board are you running?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:59 AM #17
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It's going to be a scenario dreams t-board. Open bolt 2 button. Only reason for this is brand new its 55 bucks, and also its super tiny.
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Clear provide forward action, black provide return action.
That's what I figured. Thanks.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:37 AM #19
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damn just checked them out. that is a pretty sweet little board. no cap that is nuts. you gonna run eyes?
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:55 AM #20
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Yeah probably going to get the canals for the wiring all dremeled out this weekend. Then once they get in i'll get the eye holes drilled out. Alot of people seem to just put tape over the left side eye, the original feedneck has plastic that contours perfectly the left side. So I cut off some plastic from that. Just need to drill/tap for a screw
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:00 AM #21
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i am having a total tard moment, what is the difference between open and closed bolt?
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