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Old 02-17-2012, 12:05 PM #1
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OK D-Day vs. ION

Alright, lets get this out of the way. This is not to bash on either game at all!! I just want to compare the two games. When I hear big gameor worlds largest game I think of these two monsters. I know that both are different from each other but how? I have played at ION since 09, never played at OK or outside of PA. So you the players, give your own opinion on the games from your perspective and how it is played. Your perspective and the game in general. I would liek to head out to OK some day so advice would be nice.

Which one is truely bigger? Every year ION is claimed to be the worlds largest but D-Day is at 4000 to 4500 a year. ION capped at 3500 with exceptions.

Tank and AT rules.

Missions.

Anything really, I know how ION is worked but there is osme stuff I'm curious to find out. Behind the scenes and tank rules. Lots of complaint bout the tank rules but I hear just as many from OK. PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION AND FACTS AND WHAT NOT!!
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:15 PM #2
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D-Day vs ION

Joey570,

I'd welcome a chance to discuss these two events, but before I
launch into why I feel the way i do about D-Day let me just state
for the record "I've never played in ION." That said, I do have a
fairly good idea as to what the Shirmish field is like, because it's
where my former partner, Wayne Dollack, and I ran a scenario
event, the first one Skirmish ever staged, called "Into Laos, the
Search for Jim Thompson." Let me also state for the record that
as great as these two events are, to try and compare them is like
comparing apples to oranges.

Lets start off by talking about 'rules' something I'm sure most
players want to know about when it comes to determing if they
are going to attend an event or not. I'm not sure if ION has it's
rules publshed, but I do know where anyone can go to read last
June's rules for D-Day. All they have to do is proceed to this
site: http://www.issuu.com/dorsai. Once there you need
to check both the April and May issues of 'The D-Day Stars and
Stripes.' Please note, there will be a few rules changes enacted
before this coming June's event, but they are still haven't been
formalized.

When it comes to the composition of the sides, at ION you have
three groups, the Allies and Germans, both of which are larger
sized forces and the French, a smaller unit which is free to make
'deals' and switch sides if it wants to. At D-Day we work with
just two forces, the Allies and the Germans. Each of these is
composed of a number of different units, each of which is named
for a unit which actually fought during the D-Day invasion. We
also have a 'Free French' unit, but it's listed as part of the Allied
Army's TO&E and hence doesn't change sides or make 'deals' with
the Germans. Anyone wishing to review the two sides units can
find them posted here;

Germans - http://forums.ddayadventurepark.com/...they-do-(Brief)

Allied Army - http://forums.ddayadventurepark.com/...they-do-(Brief)

I'm going to pause here to allow anyone following this thread a
chance to review what's been said so far and to also allow anyone
else who wants to jump in here speak their piece. My next post will
address what I feel are other differences between these two events.

If anyone has any questions, or comments about what's been said
so far, please feel free to reply to me privately, or you're also free
to give my office a call.

Thanks again,
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:34 PM #3
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I see, I do like how the setup with actual squads for the game at D-Day is. We get a dogtag and you just join in with whatever company is on there and go for your missions through out the day which is marked at insertion. Now I like how IONhas the French as an in between team. It makes the game more interesting plus this games also judges the next event Berlin/Britian.
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Alright, lets get this out of the way. This is not to bash on either game at all!! I just want to compare the two games. When I hear big gameor worlds largest game I think of these two monsters. I know that both are different from each other but how? I have played at ION since 09, never played at OK or outside of PA. So you the players, give your own opinion on the games from your perspective and how it is played. Your perspective and the game in general. I would liek to head out to OK some day so advice would be nice.

Which one is truely bigger? Every year ION is claimed to be the worlds largest but D-Day is at 4000 to 4500 a year. ION capped at 3500 with exceptions.

Tank and AT rules.

Missions.

Anything really, I know how ION is worked but there is osme stuff I'm curious to find out. Behind the scenes and tank rules. Lots of complaint bout the tank rules but I hear just as many from OK. PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION AND FACTS AND WHAT NOT!!
As one of the very few people that has been to and played at both events (and across the country), I can say this:

Skirmish ION = Glorified Big Game with some "scenarioesque" missions and a lot of "role playing" between select people before, during and after the game.

Oklahoma D-Day = Milsim Big Game with the objectives as opposed to missions and some "role playing" prior to the game with the different units.

The numbers Skirmish uses tend to be based on people registered, with Oklahoma D-Day using the amount of people on the property. (That's why you will see in years prior that 10,000+ people were there.)

The games are similar in the fact they are basically big games with Oklahoma D-Day having objectives that need to be completed in order to win. (Take this town, that beach and so on.) Skirmish D-day having some missions but nothing serious like other proper scenario's. The games are also similar in the fact that you have people "role-playing" around the game.

At Oklahoma D-Day, the role playing doesn't count towards the score, whereas at Skirmish, the game can be won or lost depending on who essentially roles their dice better and who has kissed the role-players butts more. In Oklahoma, the sides are broken down into units which allows players and teams to stand out more, as they each have their own specific goals for the game. At Skirmish, unless you are part of the current clique, chances of you getting a mission, or for that fact being something more then a meat shield is slim.

At Oklahoma D-Day, the AT guns are paintball guns that are modded or dressed up to appear like era AT Guns, they have limited amount of paint and only paint can be used to take out a tank. At Skirmish, any swinging **** who has a AT Launcher can take out a tank. (unless they changed those rules)

I tell everyone that Oklahoma D-Day should be done at least once, but with you being in the North East, there are a lot of events that you can attend.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:23 PM #5
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Joey570,

D-Day provides players with the opportunity to pick
the unit they want to be assigned to. Once they've
selected one, the staff for that unit finds a slot for the
new player. Think of this like what happens when you
come into a real military unit, you're a replacement.

Then, depending on when you get out there, you're
given an opportunity to take part in a series of both
daily unit training, as well as daily mini-scenarios,
which test just how well you learned those drills.

Don't worry, you also have plenty of time to goof off,
visit the vendor area and play a couple pick up
speedball games on the site's two lighted courts
before calling it a day. The more time you have to
spend, the more you become part of your unit, abet
a unit which may number over 200.

This year I think they're looking to see between 3,500
and 4,000 players attend, so long as gas prices don't
soar too high. They then split us up based on a 5 to 4
formula. The Germans get 4 to every 5 we get. Why
the disparity in odds, that's because they start off
holding almost the entire field and all objectives,
while we have to take them in order to earn points.

Typically, in the military commanders like to have
at least a 2 or 3 to 1 advantage if they're taking an
objective, given both sides are armed the same.

This brings up another difference between these
event, D-Day offers you a chance to spend nearly
7 full days, versus 2 or perhaps 2 1/2 at ION.

Cost for the entire time, including all your air, use
of the camp grounds, including showers, is $80.00.
Sorry, not sure what ION charges, or just what's
included.

Next: team recruiting.

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Old 02-17-2012, 02:37 PM #6
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Not true, Lately Skirmish has been enforcing rules with tanks and ATs. Which is getting lots of guys mad, no more homemade ATs and what not but yes any idiot can show up with a manufactured AT get it checked and use it. But tank rules pi$$ tank users off more every year. For Stalingrad theres going ot be no tanks at all. The rules for tank and at seems liek its always changing. Im not part of a tank or at crew at all or in fact any crew. Just like my sig, Im a lonewolf, I have no squad I just hop aboard with other teams running missions. Slowly though I'm making connections with others. Personally I do like the role playing, gives it a nice feel to it, makes it more interesting and more hype to it.

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Well what was the largest number of players to play just for D-Day if you know. And Skirmish is about 3 days. An entire weekend but Sunday is like half a day. Friday has a mini pre-game. Players mainly play it for about an hour or so to see if their guns are working properly. 60 bucks for the weekend pre-registered than 80 after the chosen date. Paint though is a pain to pay, I usually stock up a month earlier when they half their half price sale.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:31 PM #7
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Joey570,

Not sure why you're intersted in total number of
participants, but this past year they claim we had
just over 3,000. Three years ago it was just over
4,000. Keep in mind regardless of who is doing
the counting, it's hard to keep track of how many
actually take to the field.

One of the ways we as the Allied Army staff track
our unit's strength is via a check off sheet of all of
those who signed up. We check those totals daily.
Numbers are then report to staff member who in
turn reads his report during staff meeting. Staff
meetings are typically held in TOC twice daily.
Again, average player isn't involved in this, it's a
staff duty all of us accept willingly to insure that
our players have the most fun possible. Same
applies with Germans. Sort of like the wizard pulling
the levers behind the curtain.

As to the comment about 'roll playing,' neither us
or the German High Command are roll playing, at
least not in the sense most would understand.
Some of us do wear period uniforms and we do
have series of unit functions we're asked to attend,
but no one is made to do anything they don't wish
to do. As a player you can do as much or litttle as
you wish. The majority of players seem to find that
being part of a unit who is honoring veterans who
fought in war is lots more rewardng than playing
lone wolf. (no disrespect)

Other what I'd term side-bar aspects you'll find at
D-Day include private British Tea for all ALLIED
officers. Tea is compliments of Commonwealth CO.
Festivities include tea served in china cups by aids
in uniforms. In addition, he also offers us a lot of
specially prepared foods, typically found at a British
High Tea. None of this plays any role in event, other
than to help build spirit among officer corps.

Several unit have also recently adopted military
ceremonies which again brings members of the unit
closer together. if a player prefers not to take part,
that's up to them.

There's also going to be a full auto machine gun shoot
for those who wish to pay extra. Check YouTube for
videos highlights.

Thursday evening, between 2000-2300 they hold a
night exercise. Each year they swap who starts off
holding town like setting called Colleville. Objective
is to see if the attackers can secure it, or if defense
can hold it. This is played out under constant barrage
of fire works shell bursts, parachute flares, and smoke.
No points, just bragging rights to the winners. All of
this goes on while some spend time in vendor area,
cook out in their camp, play speed ball, etc. With so
many things to do each day, it's hard to take it all in.

BTW, maybe the biggest differnce I can point to is the
fact that Dewayne doesn't like anyone who doesn't
follow his rules. Act properly, have a good time and
there's no problem, but mess up and you'll be asked
to leave. Worst thing that can happen to anyone is
being told you're not welcome back. He backs it up
by employing tribal police who patrol campsite on
quads. Allied Army backs up it's own security with
players who like to protray MPs. No real power,
but who wants to argue with a bunch of guys who
are bigger than you? Again, this could all be called
'role playing,' but it doesn't influence outcome of the
event.


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Old 02-17-2012, 04:01 PM #8
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Ok, I have not been to D-DaY yet. But I have seen many videos from both sides taken by players and staff. From what Ive seen, the starting "landing craft they uselook like a few peices of particle board, and are very cheesy looking, and small...only fitting a dozen or so people in them. And the german side is golding a hillside with bunkers and towers, and trench lines above them. I do like the hillside idea, since the landing Allied forced DID have to climb the cliffs. And the rules from what I read above are a bitmore organized for squad play.

As for ION....Ill just say this...after 2 years in a row of going to this event, I cant see how D_day can possibly top it. First, the vendor rows are just awesome! Last year After the first day of fighting, we walked to Valken pavilion (also our team sponsor) and drank beer from a keg, and ate hotdogs, chips and soda for FREE! Then got to hang with Greg Hastings at the Warhounds Pavilion and play his new game and drink beer with him. Each year I have played Allies, mainly so I can dash into a hail of paintballs fromm their very nice replica landing craft that are as close to the real thing as you can get. about 50-80 players all stacked inside....walls too high to see what the germans are doing(usually testing their range and thumping the front of the craft, or lobbing balls over the top before we even launch...its outright adrenaline pumping, insane feeling as you wait for that gate to drop and storm in front of 2000 german guns. The "beach field" is broken down into 5 different landing zones...a landing craft for each one representing the beaches oif normandy...UTAH, Omaha, Sword, Juno, and one more im not sure of. There is a berm about 20 yards in front of a treeline where the germans fire from with bunkers, walls, pillboxes and natural fortifications. Once the beach is cleared, there are missions every 30 minutes in specified zones/fields, which you have a map and the mission schedules. each mission is worth X amount of points, and the winner is decided by who racks up the most points and completes the most important missions. The French team does show up every now and then and either help you, or attack you while you are trying to fight off the other team. You just can never tell what they will do. Its just crazy. I love it. And maybe someday I will try D-Day, but its a far haul forme as I live in PA.
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AlphaOmegaAssassin,

Lets agree that since neither of us has attended both
of these events that there's room here for discussion.
You're right, there are dozens, if not hundreds of videos
out there featuring both events. That said, I'd say the
number of clips from D-Day outweighs those from ION.
You talk about a flimsy landing craft that only carries
a few players across the pond at a time, but you don't
see the other dry boats that are off to one side. After
you get shot the first time, they marshal you into one
of those and re-insert you. That hill as you call it is so
steep that you have to grab hold of brush or tree limbs
just to keep from falling down. Keep in mind we've got
to first clear the simulated barbed wire, using mock
bangalore torpeodos, before anyone can begin to climb
up the hill. All the time this is going on, maybe a 100
Germans or more are raining paint down on us. Tough,
sure, but no tougher than hitting that beach over in
France, where there weren't any second chances if you
got shot.

Here's a few of those clips he talked about. They're
full of action, but they fall short of giving you a true sense
of what takes place out there. For that you'll just have to
make the trek. Oh, as for the Northeast being too far,
just keep in mind we have around 100 players who come
down from Canada, not to mention dozens more from
all over the globe, including from the UK, Holland, Australia,
New Zealand, France, Poland, etc.

Chopper flights -






Obstacle Course - (run by players for players)





British High Tea Party -





Night Game -





2nd Armor Group Promotional Clip -

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Joey...as you should know I am an avid fan of the Skirmish series, but OK has always been on the radar.

The OK crowd take the game from more of a re-enactment stance (with the outcome to be decided by play not history). You will find the units camping together, taking chow time together etc etc. There you will find the more "organized" feel.

ION on the other hand can and does draw some yahoos...but myself and a handful of others have worked diligently over the last few years to bring a better feel to the game. This game (ION) is very weighted on the role playing side and those involved are more than happy to accept newcomers to the table. The command staffs are asked to not to only use their "clique" teams/groups, but rather embrace the newcomers too. This has been a work in progress for a few years now, but you can ask most of those running missions now how they got there and the simple answer you will here is Goose or Pete gave me a chance. The dynamic of the game is ever changing.

Having said all this...if you have the opportunity to make it to OK do it. Come back with fresh ideas and share them..Share ION ideas with the OK crowd. Both games sell out so attendance is not an issue for either. Input is critical to both though. I've had conversations both by phone and email with Andy and even though we have never met in person I know we both share the same passion for these games. Pick one or both and just have fun, get out and play and bring a friend!

Oh and ALWAYS GO GERMAN! (sorry Andy had to do it)
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No, no hard feelings. Glad to have been asked for some
suggestions. He's right, from what he's told me ION
as become a good place for players to go, especially if
you live out that way, but if you have the means and a
hankering for something different, by all means make
the trip out to Wyandotte.

Also sounds like both events could use some frersh blood,
not in terms of players per say, but rather in terms of the
types of folks who want to work at making these events
even better. I know I'd sure welcome some help with my
job as the J-9 (PAO Officer).

BTW, my offer still stands, anyone want to come out and
observe is welcome. I'll even be willing to cover the $5.00
camping fee if you like.

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Don't travel to DDay if you live far away. I have played it since 05 and it just gets worse every year.

People will get assaulted and nothing will be done.

Property will get destroyed and nothing will be done

The same guys who are "role playing" during the week will destroy the game the day of by breaking bunkers, cheating, abusing refs and other players, and generally acting like tools.

I have brought new people every year, and those I have brought the last two years have had absolutely no desire to return.
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ION is an event that I will attend if I can't find anything local to play in. Basically, I did it once and don't really care if I go back. It was fun, but it wasn't really memorable as a big game for me.

D-Day is an event that I plan for each year from the day after the big game each year. As soon as I get in my car to drive home, my planning starts for next year.
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I' ll start by saying I have never been to ION. Have been to D-Day every year since 06 except last year because the wife wanted me for our 25th wedding anniversary trip. I know, where's my priorities lol. Yes there is cheating' tell me what big game doesn't. I just play honorable and have fun. I go down there with my son and some friends for the whole week. Mostly just to see all the friends I've met over the years. The command structure is put together real well if you want move up in rank you can. If not just have fun and do what needs to be done. I will be going this June and bringing my PAV for the first time. I'll bet I have a great time as always
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Goose, Im very familiar with ION and slowly Im inching towards the top for spots of the role playing craziness. Still a bit young to join in for a beer (6 more years XD) I do like to get involved but some people would think its quite bizarre to follow a youngster on a mission for a prop or flag which has been proven back at the millionth man game. First mission I went out for a flag and I look behind me only to find about 10 people behind me. Moments later after grabbing the flag there was a fresh insertion behind the rocks making sure the flag was delivered. D-Day to me sounds interesting but a flight from PA to OK, would it be worth it. Prob but theres personal flaws.

Going up such a hill where I have to grab hold of bushes and roots and if not Im going for a tumble. Sounds like a pain in the arse if you ask me. Not trying to sound lazy but that be a pain but oh wait Im always for German(: Still be a pain. But I havent heard anything about mission running for like props and flags. I do see like main control areas such as the bridges, the beach but how bout missions like ION. Go for some Uranium and give your side extra points. Only why I worry about the attendance is because I just want to see which game is the largest. May not make much sense but it may just be me. Like walking around camp at ION I hear guys bring up OK and there like this place has the bigger game. Its like a mystery to me that I most solve....

Josh.Smith well if you dont watch your stuff or you keep it plain site you might have one of those jerks that will come in and mess things up. Camp closer to the field and where theres more people, far off you might have someone snooping around trying to grab something. You will always have cheaters and their will always be someone argueing with a ref or fighting with another player. Last year at ION I was about 6 feet away from an allied player I peaked from the bunker I was at and I got shot in the Chest and didnt feel it. No bounce and very clean break, I was wearinga tac vest and where he shot is where my map and dogtags are so I didnt feel the impact. He flipped out and starting screaming at me for not calling myself out and threatened to light me up. Instead of saying something back I looked down, saw the mark and walked off. Pointless fighting isnt needed. There will always be thoughs type of players. And Im pretty much guessing its rare to see a player that played both games?

And of course, GO GERMAN
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Forgot to add this, the night game looks and sounds awesome but no points for 3 hours of game time. There should be points for field control atleast and some late night missions. Make the night more interesting.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:36 PM #17
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Well, I can't say that I have been to OK D-Day, but I can say I've been to ION enough times to know I love it. The people, the personalities, they are shown in so many videos that I have seen of ION and OK D-Day. I would love to meet my fellow paintballers in OK and I am looking forward to the opportunity that has presented itself... Maybe trade some role playing ideas lol

But the buck doesn't stop there...

Dorsai recently invited me to come down and check out how the game and the Allied Command is run. He and I spoke for a few hours talking about the differences of the games and how they work. I have to admit, I was more than impressed with what he told me about the level of organization put in for OK D-Day. A lot of it is something that we are only dreaming of at ION, such as the unit system they have. (The Germans are implimenting the Legacy company system this year, and we are hoping this is the start of the same sort of tradition that the OK D-Day boys have.

But at the same time I feel OK D-Day misses a few things that ION prides itself such as the beach battle and the Friday night Diplomatic Reception under the pavilion.

The two games are different and the same in a lot of respects...

ION, to me is a game for the masses, huge numbers of players in a smaller area slugging it out for flag areas and a few props here and there. Plus some missions that are included here and there. But it lacks the full scenario feel that I think OK D-Day has worked so so hard to accomplish.

The unit's that play at OK D-Day have been playing together for a long long time, and they are neck deep in tradition and organization. Plus I feel the game they run is far more realistic. Like Foote said, its a Milsim game and a damn good one at that... Or from what I can gather

ION is a big game, with a scenario feel, I would like to switch that around... I want a scenario game, with a big game feel.

As for the 3rd entity (French/Tyrell). A lot of people, still to this day do not understand how we work, and feel we just pick sides and help them win. If you hold that opinion, I would LOVE for you to come up to me before ION and I will sit down and tell you how the French work, what ours goals are, and how we have fun essentially being an extension of the skirmish staff.

A GOOD 3rd entity's job is to not just be DEAD neutral on the field of battle, but to also install a story line/realistic feel to being in the time period of the game. Recently we have made the French to be more like a civilian fighting force... some players start aligned towards one side, but can be convinced to turn.

The Diplomatic Reception for example, slowly we have been gaining people who come and watch every year. AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT. We don't do it for ourselves, we want people to get involved! Making props, role playing, trying to find our role players off the field and engage them! We love being in character, and you can learn a lot.

We have introduced the French games, the new French missions and we feel that they are ridiculously funny (isn't that the point to why we play?) and some of them are gritty and real! It is up to you to choose what you want to do. And if none of it is for you then so be it, that's fine!

Both games are different, but the people who go to them are not. Paintballers are just that... Paintballers. And that makes us all family. We are all part of a huge community that loves what we do, and although these two games may produce a different mentality about how a game of this size should be run. It is always my goal to make the game better and to make people laugh and love playing it. Because we are all brothers and sisters to each other in this sport that we all love.

I hope that when I make it down to OK D-Day I can not only learn more about how they work their system to bring back tricks and tips to better run ION, but that they also pick my brain so I can share what works for us up here. That is the goal after all isn't it? To have great games and share our experiences.

What better way than this.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:41 PM #18
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Forgot to add this, the night game looks and sounds awesome but no points for 3 hours of game time. There should be points for field control atleast and some late night missions. Make the night more interesting.
There was a mission actually, but do to a few medical related events/the fireworks incident at the hood this past year, we were unable to get the French mission setup. So the points were bid on after the game ended for the night by the High Commands.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:48 PM #19
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There was a mission actually, but do to a few medical related events/the fireworks incident at the hood this past year, we were unable to get the French mission setup. So the points were bid on after the game ended for the night by the High Commands.
Referring to OK. Night game at ION I usually round up a group of players and just mess around.
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Old 02-18-2012, 04:20 PM #20
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February 2012 Stars and Stripes

Hope you'll excuse any unintentional errors which may appear in my
February 2012 E-zine editon of my Stars and Stripes paper. Starting
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:04 PM #21
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Josh, Not trying to start an argument but if you've played the game since '05 (7 straight years) can it really be that bad? There must be something that brings you back? This will only be my third year and I find the game is what you make of it. I realize there are cheats and a few less than perfect refs (from what I have seen on the forum this is an area that will see major improvement for this year) but I don't let them affect me to the point of ruining my day. I think these types are a small minority anyway and I don't think they have any significant affect on the outcome. I definitely keep my gear locked up as I would do anywhere there are thousands of people running around.

Omaha is only one of three beaches. Omaha is the only beach that is that steep (although I got to play from the bottom during operation sea lion last year and it's a pretty awsome hill, a lot of fun actually). Plus you have all the airborne units starting behind the lines. Also the Germans do not just sit behind bunkers and fire down on the allies as they charge up a hill. We have to hold ground such as bridges and villages as well as retake them if they are lost. We have special forces units that may or may not even see one of the beaches. Same goes for the allies. It just depends on the type of unit you are looking for and how the day unfolds.

There are no props or side missions unless you are thinking about AT gunners, tankers, or snipers (I have never run into one but I believe there are a few out there looking for command staff).

As far as the night game, points or no point this game is awesome. Once you get out there you're not worried about points. There are flares and fireworks, and the town of Colleville that they have created with the church and mall area make for a lot of COB in a low light environment. Great for any type of play. Also something you're not going to see in many places, maybe nowhere.

I've never played ION so I have no opinion, it's on my bucket list, but I would definitely consider making at least one trip to D-Day if you can.

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