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Old 02-07-2012, 09:37 AM #337
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The lack of information provided by the PSP/Adrenaline Games has made this a trainwreck. Why the hell hasn't someone cleared up in one sentence what people are arguing about page after page?
Because PSP is as clueless as the players. According to Lane Wright

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There will be additional/different bunkers for 2012.

I am not aware of what those bunkers will be. But I do know that there will be some minor changes.

Contrary to popular belief, I am not the one who decides whether Sup'Air changes their bunkers from year to year. As a matter of fact, I was under the impression that there would not be any changes this year. I was wrong.

I do know the Adrenaline Games staff was at the Shot Show this past week and that may be why they were not answering calls and had full mailboxes.

Anyway, I'm guessing you guys will know the new bunkers when I do.

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Because PSP is as clueless as the players.
That should say it all.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:51 AM #340
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theres been so many changes over the years... i see why they do it.. but i feel like its getting harder and harder on local field... expanding, bunker changes, i dont think they relise the impact its making on certain places around the country. This Bunkers are very big.. i rather of seem maybe like a few more bunkers on the snake side not larger ones
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:02 PM #341
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not a good idea! every 2 years would benefit field owners more!
True....But,

Supair is in the business to make money. I own a field in MO and I am the only field within 3+ hours that I know has a 2011 race 2 field. If more fields would buy the sup airball fields then they wouldnt have to come up with different bunkers to sell to make more money.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:06 PM #342
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:14 PM #343
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True....But,

Supair is in the business to make money. I own a field in MO and I am the only field within 3+ hours that I know has a 2011 race 2 field. If more fields would buy the sup airball fields then they wouldnt have to come up with different bunkers to sell to make more money.
Thats the way it should be. Good race 2 field every 2 or 3 hours or so. Otherwise people all play at different places and fields lose business. (unless your in cali/florida/ny area).



Ok i just did some math on this price update thing for the hell of it and its really not bad at all if you look at it from this perspective. If you buy the upgrade kit to help bring players in that play in leagues with these bunkers, your basically paying for an 8 month term because there are new bunkers every year now.

~$1200? upgrade kit / 8 months = $150 month additional cost. / 4 weeks = $37.50 per week lost profit from field fees/air/paint in order to have a full PSP field layout. I think fields can live with this.

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Old 02-07-2012, 02:45 PM #344
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...that sucks how am i supposed to shoot through the gap now that its rounded and wraps around the guy in the snake... bah inovations... although a fluffy player friendly (a.k.a fat guy) snake would be great to have ... lol
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:36 PM #346
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Thats the way it should be. Good race 2 field every 2 or 3 hours or so. Otherwise people all play at different places and fields lose business. (unless your in cali/florida/ny area).



Ok i just did some math on this price update thing for the hell of it and its really not bad at all if you look at it from this perspective. If you buy the upgrade kit to help bring players in that play in leagues with these bunkers, your basically paying for an 8 month term because there are new bunkers every year now.

~$1200? upgrade kit / 8 months = $150 month additional cost. / 4 weeks = $37.50 per week lost profit from field fees/air/paint in order to have a full PSP field layout. I think fields can live with this.
I guess the another way to look at it would be a upgrade kit comes out every other year, it cost half of what you said and really even less then that. Because you would be replacing bunkers that are getting older and would need to be replaced anyway.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:39 PM #347
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Probably been mentioned, but I can't imagine shooting inside from one of these things. Dangerous to say the least.
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:15 PM #348
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Ehm, you posted yourself him saying they are NOT taller, but shorter?

So it confuses me a little you think that means the opposite?

They are shorter (as in no longer 10 feet length)
They are more narrow (as in no longer 2.5 feet width)
They are the same heinght (as in 2.5 feet height)

Now, if they are in fact higher that then 2011 beams, that will change everything, and they will be playable..... but I think that information would have been out by now, if that was the case
The bunker manufacturer just said they're lower to the ground and not as tall as the 2011 beams.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:26 PM #349
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:32 PM #350
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:57 PM #351
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The bunker manufacturer just said they're lower to the ground and not as tall as the 2011 beams.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:06 PM #352
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these changes look good for bigger players.
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there smaller in what world does that help bigger players?
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:43 PM #355
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You gotta be trolling now
You're foreign, aren't you? I'm not sure if you're quite understanding what is being written because English may not be your first language.


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they look taller, which does make it easier for bigger people, imo
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There are not. They are shorter. And the Snake beam is almost concave (about 2" shorter towards to middle.)
I'll see if I can get you pics with someone standing next to them.
When someone asked about the height of the bunker, the Sup'Air representative said it was not taller, rather it was shorter. This is in reference to the height, NOT the length of the bunker. He then offered to try to get a picture with someone standing next to them so that you could see the height difference. He even added that they're concave, making them 2" lower in the middle.

Everything the manufacturer representative has said points to the bunker not being as high off the ground.
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We read his statement differently.

I read it as:

There are not. (taller, i.e they are the same height).
(new sentence)
They are shorter (But a difference from the 2011 beams is, that they are shorter in length).

So, my whole point was "they are not higher (as many kept saying), they are still ONLY 2.5 feet tall, making them impossible to play without knuckles"

And all the while, I thought you were making a backwards argument for them being higher - which made zero sense

Either way, if they ARE in fact even lower than 2011 beams.... then how on earth would that be a good thing?
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We read his statement differently.

I read it as:

There are not. (taller, i.e they are the same height).
(new sentence)
They are shorter (But a difference from the 2011 beams is, that they are shorter in length).

So, my whole point was "they are not higher (as many kept saying), they are still ONLY 2.5 feet tall, making them impossible to play without knuckles"

And all the while, I thought you were making a backwards argument for them being higher - which made zero sense

Either way, if they ARE in fact even lower than 2011 beams.... then how on earth would that be a good thing?
Because it allows fields to put more bunkers in the middle of the field for fat kids. At least thats the BS excuse the manufactures rep is trying to use for their screw up. PSP did not find out about the new bunkers until they were leaked.


I say put up a Public Poll let the players decide to keep the bunkers, or to get rid of them. After all it is what you say the changes are for "the players" let the players decide!
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