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Old 02-02-2012, 12:56 AM #1
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No Knock Warrent + wrong address + Chain saw to open the door...

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FITCHBURG -- It was a horror movie come to life.

Judy Sanchez woke Thursday to the sound of heavy footsteps in her stairwell, followed by a loud motor. She got to her kitchen in time to see the blade of a chain saw rip through her front door.

"It was so crazy," Judy Sanchez said. "I was terrified."

Jan. 26 was the day of Operation Red Wolf, a multiagency sweep during which 16 people in Fitchburg were arrested on charges related to gang activity, drug trafficking and illegal gun sales after a two-year investigation by federal, state and local law-enforcement officers.

The people sawing through her door were FBI agents, looking for a gang member suspected of trafficking cocaine. But they went to the wrong address.

photo COURTESY Judy Sanchez The door to the apartment of Judy Sanchez at 391 Elm St., in Fitchburg after FBI agents used a chain saw to tear the door down. Sanchez said the ordeal traumatized her and her 3-year-old daughter, Ji'anni, and she is unsatisfied with the agency's response to the error.

About 10 FBI agents came into her apartment at 391 Elm St., that morning, guns drawn and pointed at her. There was no knock, and they didn't shout that they were from the FBI until after the saw was buzzing through her six-panel front door, she said.

She believes it took about three minutes for them to saw a big rectangle through the door, then kick in the center. She shouted repeatedly that they had the wrong place.

Once the first agent was inside, she was ordered facedown on the floor at gunpoint. Her 3-month-old pit-bull Lexi wet the floor, and she was instructed to grab the dog and hold her. To do so, she said, she had to reach through the dog's urine.
Sanchez doesn't know how long she was held on the floor, but estimates it was between 30 and 45 minutes while her daughter cried in the other room. It was a cold morning, and she was not allowed to put warm clothes on.

"I was still at gunpoint the whole time. I was freezing," Sanchez said.

The FBI agents kept asking her where Luis Vasquez was, and she said she didn't know.

Sanchez and her daughter live in apartment 2R, which is located in the rear of the building. The other apartment on the floor, 2F, is at the front and is the home of Luis R. "Joker" Vasquez, but Sanchez said she only knew him as "Jay."

Vasquez, 41, is believed to be the leader of the local arm of the Sex, Money, Murda gang and was captured in his apartment. He faces up to 40 years in prison, a $5 million fine and lifetime supervision when released.

Tim Christmas, the former building manager, was called in to install a replacement door in Sanchez' apartment. He estimated the fiberglass, prehung door unit he installed cost about $250.

The FBI will reimburse Lancaster Oaks Development, the company that owns the building, for the door.

Christmas also said he repaired the frame to Vasquez's back door, which was pushed in for entrance.

"This is a big screw-up," Christmas said.

He and Sanchez are both in disbelief that Vasquez could be involved in a gang, saying they thought he was a positive influence in the neighborhood and good with children.

A female FBI agent wrote down a number for Sanchez's landlord to call for reimbursement for the door and the number for Damon Katz, chief counsel for the Boston division of the FBI. Sanchez said she received a quick oral apology that was devoid of remorse.

"Just a little pat on the back and saying 'I'm sorry' is not OK," she said.

She said chain-sawing through a door may be common practice for the FBI, but it was a traumatic event for her and her daughter.

Sanchez attends classes at Fitchburg State University and didn't go to class Thursday, feeling too disoriented. She's having trouble sleeping now, and her daughter didn't want to go into their bathroom all weekend because it is located next to the door the FBI used.

An FBI spokesman read a prepared statement about the incident.

"The mistake was quickly apparent to the FBI agents who entered the apartment. ... The FBI assistant special agent in charge recognized legitimate concerns the resident had about the mistake," the statement read.

The statement maintained that the agent that spoke with Sanchez apologized repeatedly and left her phone number and another number for any "further concerns."

The FBI does not reveal specific operational details about the tactics of an arrest team, such as how long it takes to open a door. The spokesman said the agents typically wield M4 assault rifles and that it's possible the shock of the event confused Sanchez about the length of time everything took.

The Fitchburg Police Department was not involved in the incident. Police spokesman Sgt. Glenn Fossa said he does not have direct knowledge of the details of the incident. He said the concept of compensation for property damage and trauma from a misdirected police raid is too broad a concept to identify a policy for what the department would do in a similar scenario.

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Ummm wtf? How are these cops not in serious trouble? Think if this had just been a regular guy who had a few guns. Never done anything wrong and one day people start sawing his door down. Just shoots the door and a hail of gun fire is returned.

And it took them 3 minutes to cut through the door?

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Old 02-02-2012, 01:10 AM #2
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I hope they replace her door.
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Take them to court and sue them for obscene amounts of money.
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Oh how about we take away their ability to do that all together, instead of living with it and having to clean up afterwards when they screw it up?
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That's a few towns over from where I go to school... crazy. Apparently someone couldn't read 2F instead of 2R.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:36 AM #6
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Oh how about we take away their ability to do that all together, instead of living with it and having to clean up afterwards when they screw it up?
So no warrants?
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:58 AM #8
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So no warrants?
No "no knock" warrants. Maybe that added step of "knocking on the door and announcing one's self" would give the people doing it enough time to realize they are at the wrong residence.

Though, that didn't stop them from getting a warrant on the wrong house and shooting that combat vet.
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I bet at least 1 guy in that FBI squad has a massive GoW boner.
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This is true.

I guess perfect world to me would be that the magistrate who signs off on the warrants has to be present for the search or seizure of the person or property, that way the "oooops honest mistake" **** is even harder for them to use.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:58 AM #11
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No knock warrants are an excellent way to get your people killed. Without them though it does allow people to spend an entire 30 seconds destroying evidence that could be used against them. Sort of catch 22.
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If their case lands on 30 seconds worth of evidence, something is the matter.

Christ, if they are so worried about loss of evidence, why not make sure the raid happens when they are outside of the house.

There was a raid a few years back that a guy was shot on his couch because they thought he had a weapon in his hand. Turns out it was the Television remote. I guess anything black means gun anymore.
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If their case lands on 30 seconds worth of evidence, something is the matter.
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... If what I can destroy in 30 seconds means the difference between them convicting me of something and me walking free, their case is ****.
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They wouldn't be at the house in the first place if they didn't have evidence.
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... probable cause is not evidence.
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I wonder what would happen to you if you had someone chainsawing through your door, you shot them a few times, and it turned out t be the cops with the wrong house...
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Sans the chainsaw, it's happened on several occasions.
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No Knock Warrants are a way of AVOIDING being shot. I know this, my father served as a police officer for 23 years. He has been a part of a number of no knock warrants before.

Granted, the chainsaw was a bit much, but we must remember the liberal media sensationalizes these things a bit on their end too. We don't know the exact sequence of events, nor the circumstances they had to be on the premises.

At least they agreed to pay for the damages, and they got the person who they were looking for.
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... probable cause is not evidence.
I don't think I ever asserted that. What are you saying? Evidence leads to probable cause. If I sell drugs to you undercover, I have evidence that you have committed a crime and have probable cause for your arrest. They are different topics. Have you looked at the warrant to see what grounds the judge found agreeable?

An arrest warrant isn't designed to gain evidence. It is to arrest the suspect. After that occurs, you can search the residence for evidence which would provide a greater chance of conviction. No-knock warrants are used the suspect is believed to possibly respond with violence and considering the suspect is an alleged gang leader, that would appear to be the appropriate route. Yes, they screwed up big time but a rare mishap doesn't or shouldn't require a complete abandonment of the practice. It should be used as an example of how emphasis should be placed on verification.
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I don't think I ever asserted that. What are you saying? Evidence leads to probable cause. If I sell drugs to you undercover, I have evidence that you have committed a crime and have probable cause for your arrest. They are different topics. Have you looked at the warrant to see what grounds the judge found agreeable?

An arrest warrant isn't designed to gain evidence. It is to arrest the suspect. After that occurs, you can search the residence for evidence which would provide a greater chance of conviction. No-knock warrants are used the suspect is believed to possibly respond with violence and considering the suspect is an alleged gang leader, that would appear to be the appropriate route. Yes, they screwed up big time but a rare mishap doesn't or shouldn't require a complete abandonment of the practice. It should be used as an example of how emphasis should be placed on verification.
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