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Old 02-05-2012, 02:31 PM #85
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It's amazing people are going to elect another Obama, after claiming they would not elect Obama again and felt ashamed for being deceived in 2008. Those same people, are either being deceived again, or voting for Mitt due to religious love over him. It's really ****ing sad.
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Could someone actually provide some sources to show just how similar Romney's and Obama's political strategies are? Everyone keeps commenting on how similar they are, but their posts are baseless and void of any actual content.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:06 AM #87
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Could someone actually provide some sources to show just how similar Romney's and Obama's political strategies are? Everyone keeps commenting on how similar they are, but their posts are baseless and void of any actual content.
Mitt Romney isn't Ron Paul, duh. Therefore, he's as bad as Obama.
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Could someone actually provide some sources to show just how similar Romney's and Obama's political strategies are? Everyone keeps commenting on how similar they are, but their posts are baseless and void of any actual content.
They are both backed by Goldman Sachs.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/romn...1/27/id/425780

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-20/p..._s=PM:POLITICS


They both support the wars and patriot act.




They both have the same view on abortion when Romney isn't busy flip flopping on the matter.


They both have similar healthcare programs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...872035080.html
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The fact that he wants to make the United States military stronger than ever before, as if we aren't the strongest in the world. Where the hell does he plan to get the funds for that? He'd have to make serious cuts in welfare and medicaid if he wants to fund our continuing conquest of imperialism. He says he wants to balance the budget but increase military strength? Only idiots fall for this stuff. This shows just how stupid the average American voters are.
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They both have similar healthcare programs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...872035080.html
Saying a State mandated health program is the same as a Federally mandated health program is quite a bit of a stretch. It is well within a State's rights to do something like that.

The Federal government currently has no authority to mandate the purchasing of health insurance (much like there is no authority for SS and a bunch of other programs on a federal level). If you REALLY want on a federal level, make an amendment. That should pass... right?
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Saying a State mandated health program is the same as a Federally mandated health program is quite a bit of a stretch. It is well within a State's rights to do something like that.

The Federal government currently has no authority to mandate the purchasing of health insurance (much like there is no authority for SS and a bunch of other programs on a federal level). If you REALLY want on a federal level, make an amendment. That should pass... right?
I understand what you are saying but there is no denying that there are some similarities between the two plans. This article demonstrates a few of them.

http://agentlemansview.com/2011/10/1...-vs-obamacare/
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They are both backed by Goldman Sachs.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/romn...1/27/id/425780

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-20/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

They both support the wars and patriot act.

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They both have the same view on abortion when Romney isn't busy flip flopping on the matter.

They both have similar healthcare programs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...872035080.html
What about individual policies? These are all pretty blanket statements, some of which don't really matter.

It's very easy for candidates to be on side A or side B of a two-sided issue. To me, that doesn't make them the same type of candidate. What economic policies do they both plan to implement to help our current situation? What foreign policies will change or take place? What are their views on government-funded agencies and departments and what sort of funding/action would they give towards them? Has Romney stated who else he would want to place in his cabinet? How do those people's views differ from Obama's cabinet?

This forum has been riddled with blanket statements and simple "Yeah! You're right!" lemming-like following when it comes to presidential candidates. Can someone actually dissect each candidate so we can truly see where they are alike or where they differentiate from one another?
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What about individual policies? These are all pretty blanket statements, some of which don't really matter.

It's very easy for candidates to be on side A or side B of a two-sided issue. To me, that doesn't make them the same type of candidate. What economic policies do they both plan to implement to help our current situation? What foreign policies will change or take place? What are their views on government-funded agencies and departments and what sort of funding/action would they give towards them? Has Romney stated who else he would want to place in his cabinet? How do those people's views differ from Obama's cabinet?

This forum has been riddled with blanket statements and simple "Yeah! You're right!" lemming-like following when it comes to presidential candidates. Can someone actually dissect each candidate so we can truly see where they are alike or where they differentiate from one another?
If my examples are no good then why don't you dissect them yourself and educate us?
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Saying a State mandated health program is the same as a Federally mandated health program is quite a bit of a stretch.
you're right.

a federally mandated health program saves everyone even more money
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If my examples are no good then why don't you dissect them yourself and educate us?
Because that's not my point.

My point is that people here seem to follow others like lemmings. There is such little actual information discussed in this forum, yet I see great blanket statements about presidential candidates by people trying to act authoritative. I'd like people to back their statements with actual information.
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Something many of the pro-2nd amendment people here will be interested in:
http://www.therightscoop.com/2004-ro...t-weapons-ban/

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My point is that people here seem to follow others like lemmings. There is such little actual information discussed in this forum, yet I see great blanket statements about presidential candidates by people trying to act authoritative. I'd like people to back their statements with actual information.
I've been thinking the same thing for some time now tbh.
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you're right.

a federally mandated health program saves everyone even more money
And is unconstitutional. But I know that doesn't matter to you.


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I've been thinking the same thing for some time now tbh.

How ironic.
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And is unconstitutional. But I know that doesn't matter to you.
i'm pretty sure stellarknight has already been over this with you
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If I was a strategist working for Obama and he was going up against Romney, I'd just steal the old John Kerry windsurfing flipflopper ad and paste Romney's face on it. At any rate, I'd like to see someone new who seems trustworthy and not a complete retard, I don't like most available options right now...
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If I was a strategist working for Obama and he was going up against Romney, I'd just steal the old John Kerry windsurfing flipflopper ad and paste Romney's face on it. At any rate, I'd like to see someone new who seems trustworthy and not a complete retard, I don't like most available options right now...
In 2004, Kerry still got 48.3% of the vote. And that was when the economy was doing relatively well. People really forget how close that election actually was. In a year when the economy is in the dumps, an acceptable generic Republican like Romney (just like how Kerry was an acceptable generic Democrat) could easily give President Obama a run for his money.

Most of the electorate don't follow the primaries and only start to tune in after each party's candidate is nominated at their respective conventions. The only problem is that the current batch of Republican primary voters/caucus goers represent a small subset of the electorate in the general election. A candidate that is acceptable by the average voter in the Republican primary could be a disastrous candidate in the general election.

In the end, Democrats will vote for Democrats and Republicans will vote for Republicans. What really matters is who everybody else votes for. That's what determines elections. The only Republican who could hope to win a majority of the independent vote is Mitt Romney.
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In the end, Democrats will vote for Democrats and Republicans will vote for Republicans. What really matters is who everybody else votes for. That's what determines elections. The only Republican who could hope to win a majority of the independent vote is Mitt Romney.
I have heard for a lot of years that 45% will vote Democrat and 45% will vote Republican, so the fight is really over the 10% outside those intransigent groups.

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Ezra Klein figures out why Romney's stadium is so empty:

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What Romney is essentially proposing to do is finance a massive tax cut by cutting Medicaid, food stamps, housing subsidies and job training. In other words, the neediest Americans — and, to a lesser degree, federal workers — will be financing a massive tax cut.

I don’t know whether independent analysts will say the numbers add up to make the rest of Romney’s plan deficit neutral. My guess is they won’t. But even if they did, Romney’s priorities are clear: In order to cut taxes and raise defense spending, he’ll cut the programs that support the poorest Americans.

In 2000, George W. Bush ran for president saying “I don’t think they ought to be balancing their budget on the backs of the poor.” In 2012, amidst a much worse economy, Romney is running for president saying exactly the opposite.

Perhaps that’s why the stadium is empty.
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I am in no way a fan or Romney, but the author of that article is making some impressive leaps to reach his conclusion.

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States are better equipped to perform all these functions. Once the economy is really growing again, I believe that we should return spending on these programs to pre-recession levels, cap their rate of growth and give the states flexibility and control. Taxpayers would save money, and those in need would benefit from programs that are more effective, efficient and responsive.
From this, he concludes that this is a cut in the handouts. Talk about throwing red meat to his base. I guess an unrestrained, unlimited rate of growth is really what this country needs.

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I have heard for a lot of years that 45% will vote Democrat and 45% will vote Republican, so the fight is really over the 10% outside those intransigent groups.

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That would be true if 100% of people voted. IMO winning an election is more about getting your side to go out and vote than it is to swinging the middle to pick your side.
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