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View Poll Results: Best QB season of all time
1984 Dan Marino 8 7.77%
1994 Steve Young 5 4.85%
2004 Peyton Manning 30 29.13%
2007 Tom Brady 31 30.10%
2010 Tom Brady 5 4.85%
2011 Aaron Rodgers 13 12.62%
2011 Drew Brees 11 10.68%
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:48 PM #64
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Look at passer rating and YPA. Its no contest, manning was more impressive.
Brady was more accurate though. Yeah, those stats don't rely on attempts, but the fact that the INT stat favors guys with fewer attempts says a lot. I'll take a guy who throws for fewer picks any day over a guy who throws for marginally more TDs/game.
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Brady was more accurate though. Yeah, those stats don't rely on attempts, but the fact that the INT stat favors guys with fewer attempts says a lot. I'll take a guy who throws for fewer picks any day over a guy who throws for marginally more TDs/game.
I'll take they guy who throws for 9.2YPA and 1 fewer TD in a game and a half less over the guy who throws for almost a full yard less per attempt and ONE more td in over a game more of PT.

There's a reason Manning's passer rating is higher. He was a better passer in 04 than brady was in 07.
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I'll take they guy who throws for 9.2YPA and 1 fewer TD in a game and a half less over the guy who throws for almost a full yard less per attempt and ONE more td in over a game more of PT.

There's a reason Manning's passer rating is higher. He was a better passer in 04 than brady was in 07.
His passer rating is higher because his TD rate was higher, which is because they threw it more in the RZ than New England did, hence their 10 rushing TD's to NE's 17. Easily any one would take either one of these guys, but with the touchdowns being as close as they are, you want the more accurate guy and the guy who gave it up to the other team less.
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His passer rating is higher because his TD rate was higher, which is because they threw it more in the RZ than New England did, hence their 10 rushing TD's to NE's 17. Easily any one would take either one of these guys, but with the touchdowns being as close as they are, you want the more accurate guy and the guy who gave it up to the other team less.
Um, why exactly is 1% of accuracy significant when one guy throws for .85 more YPA? If both of them throw 550 times, manning would have thrown for 5043 yards, brady would have thrown for 4576. So tell me, why is completion percentage so important when one qb is throwin 100 more times underneath and the other is getting the ball downfield?
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Um, why exactly is 1% of accuracy significant when one guy throws for .85 more YPA? If both of them throw 550 times, manning would have thrown for 5043 yards, brady would have thrown for 4576. So tell me, why is completion percentage so important when one qb is throwin 100 more times underneath and the other is getting the ball downfield?
He's not exactly throwing underneath. Brady's edge in accuracy counters Peyton's edge in TD's/game, and Brady's lower INT number and % win it for him IMO. The fact that he threw it 80 more times makes the accuracy number even more impressive, that he kept that number up for that many more throws. Also, I just like QB's who don't turn the ball over, and '07 Brady was probably the best you can get from that standpoint, with that volume of statistics.
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Its a good point. Bradys offense was dink, dunk, dink, dunk, Moss.
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He's not exactly throwing underneath. Brady's edge in accuracy counters Peyton's edge in TD's/game, and Brady's lower INT number and % win it for him IMO. The fact that he threw it 80 more times makes the accuracy number even more impressive, that he kept that number up for that many more throws. Also, I just like QB's who don't turn the ball over, and '07 Brady was probably the best you can get from that standpoint, with that volume of statistics.
Actually, if you want to talk about not turning the ball over, 2011 rodgers is by far the best. 45tds only 6 ints.

He also has ore rushing yards, rushing tds, and a far superior YPA. Using your logic, Rodgers must have had the best QB season ever then(especially since he actually only started 15games).
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If you would actually take a guy who completes 6 more passes over the couse of an entire year over the guy who throws for almost 500 more yards on an equal amount of attempts, you're just plain stupid.
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Its a good point. Bradys offense was dink, dunk, dink, dunk, Moss.
yes, which is why the YPA stat is pointless. It doesn't take into account the type of offense the guy plays in. If one guy prefers to throw the deep ball from play action and another likes to throw more times for less yardage, why is one better than the other? As long as they move the ball down the field and score points, they are equal. The fact that one guy throws deep more often doesn't mean he is the more effective quarterback.
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yes, which is why the YPA stat is pointless. It doesn't take into account the type of offense the guy plays in. If one guy prefers to throw the deep ball from play action and another likes to throw more times for less yardage, why is one better than the other? As long as they move the ball down the field and score points, they are equal. The fact that one guy throws deep more often doesn't mean he is the more effective quarterback.
YPA>>>completion percentage. It accounts for both how accurate you are and how many yards you throw for. If you have an incomplete pass it hurts your YPA, so the fact that brady's completion percentage was better but his YPA was still considerably worse shows that manning was a much more efficient qb in 04 than brady was in 07.

EDIT: also, the smart people never made fun of LTK for using YPA, we made fun of him for saying 8.8 was historic when it wasn't even top 25.
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not really because efficiency is determined by the offense too.
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If you would actually take a guy who completes 6 more passes over the couse of an entire year over the guy who throws for almost 500 more yards on an equal amount of attempts, you're just plain stupid.
It's not just that. It's that combined with the fact that he didn't turn it over as much.

And yeah, I'm surprised no one has brought up Rodgers more in this thread. His TD/turnover ratio is best of anyone outside 2010 Brady.
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Because how many times last year should Brady have been picked? I can recall more then a few times DBs just.....dropping sure fire picks. 2 picks is just not enough to convince me that Bradys was a better season.
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yea, it begins and ends at YPA or me. If you give manning as many attempts as brady in 07, he would have thrown for 5300 yards. If you adjust Manning's 04 season for the pass attempts of brady's 07, he woudl have thrown for 57tds....
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57...that's pretty significant. I don't like the YPA stat, but that TD number has got me liking Peyton's season a little bit more.
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Because how many times last year should Brady have been picked? I can recall more then a few times DBs just.....dropping sure fire picks. 2 picks is just not enough to convince me that Bradys was a better season.
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yea, it begins and ends at YPA or me. If you give manning as many attempts as brady in 07, he would have thrown for 5300 yards. If you adjust Manning's 04 season for the pass attempts of brady's 07, he woudl have thrown for 57tds....
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No, its just using averages instead of totals. AKA, providing more context.
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Providing visual facts and substance is more significant then providing hypotheticals based on intangibles. Projecting is a perfectly normal way to decide which season was better. Its called averaging and finding the common ground. If you take away those 80 attempts for Brady, he ends up with about 42 TDs on the season. Thats a pretty significant reduction when you're talking about 8 touchdowns fewer then what Manning did. That puts Brady at a good season, but nothing earth shattering.
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Actually, if you want to talk about not turning the ball over, 2011 rodgers is by far the best. 45tds only 6 ints.

He also has ore rushing yards, rushing tds, and a far superior YPA. Using your logic, Rodgers must have had the best QB season ever then(especially since he actually only started 15games).
I picked Rodgers but you guys are making good points for Brady and Manning. His 4900 total yards, 48 tds, only 6 ints and a 122.5 QB rating is what did it for me.
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That 04 season stands out in my mind when I think of PM. The only thing that beats it is the 06 AFC Championship game.
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