[Dirty J]

Just shot my Etek3 for the first time. The velocity is correct ~ 285-290fps.... but it sound like I'm beating on a piece of metal with a hammer when shooting it

I'm not a newb to gun teching (playing since '95), but this is my first go at an Eclipse gun.

Making it quieter would be achieved by upping the dwell and lowering the LPR and HPR. The tradeoff would be efficiency.

What's the highest you can go with the dwell? Stock for the Etek3 is 9.0ms I believe... could I safely goto 11.0ms?

What sort of shot count could be expected with a dwell of 11.0ms on a 45/4500 fill? What's the estimated shot count the Eclipse provides with the factory dwell - on a 45ci or 68ci bottle?

And let me see if I have this LPR adjustment correct... you just turn it 2-4 full turns from flush? Seems kinda in-precise to me. There's not a way to put a gauge on the gun and check the actual output - like a Intimidator? Just turning a screw 2-3 revolutions CANNOT yield the same pressure on every gun... there will always be machining tolerance variances that will cause various pressure settings from marker to marker - no?


Long post... I know... but thanks for reading through it!

[Feloniousnick]

The barrel is not ported very much to cut costs on the etek3s so getting a barrel with a lot more porting and that is closer to bore size can help.

As well, egos are more known for their reliability/durability rather than a smooth/quiet shot (especially the eteks) so don't expect it to get very quiet.

[Dirty J]

Originally Posted by Feloniousnick

The barrel is not ported very much to cut costs on the etek3s so getting a barrel with a lot more porting and that is closer to bore size can help.

As well, egos are more known for their reliability/durability rather than a smooth/quiet shot (especially the eteks) so don't expect it to get very quiet.

Fair enough. Try a different barrel. Check.

Barrel bore was a bit big for the paint... but this is not such an issue with my Intimidator. Even with a huge over-bore, it's not anything close to loud.

Does Eclipse disclose what the actual LPR pressure is on an Ego/Etek where the LPR has been adjusted "two turns in". I suspect this is higher than a timmy... hence the extra noise.

[Feloniousnick]

Originally Posted by Dirty J

Fair enough. Try a different barrel. Check.

Barrel bore was a bit big for the paint... but this is not such an issue with my Intimidator. Even with a huge over-bore, it's not anything close to loud.

Does Eclipse disclose what the actual LPR pressure is on an Ego/Etek where the LPR has been adjusted "two turns in". I suspect this is higher than a timmy... hence the extra noise.

BL poppets are quieter but they require more tuning (like the vice and g6r). Maybe check the etek3 manual? If the thread is up long enough I'm sure one of the PE peeps will answer that.

[Dirty J]

Originally Posted by Feloniousnick

BL poppets are quieter but they require more tuning (like the vice and g6r). Maybe check the etek3 manual? If the thread is up long enough I'm sure one of the PE peeps will answer that.

I'm going to disagree with you that BL guns require more tuning. I've been shooting Intimidators since 2002.

Set the dwell. Set the LPR. Adjust HPR to achieve desired velocity. Same process as PE guns, with the exception that Bob Long advises a pressure to set the gun to vs. number of turns on a screw.

No such info in the manual. I've read it front to back... a few times. No actual pressures are discussed in the book.

I'll wait for one of the more "seasoned" PE owners to come along. Thanks for you help so far

[Uziel Gal]

LPR pressure is approximately 100psi when flush, so a little less when two turns in.

The LPR uses a balanced piston - it is set between two springs. As such, any adjustment that compresses one spring, also compresses the other spring, and more or less cancels out the adjustment.

The LPR on an Ego or Etek is only intended as a fine adjuster, and will not make large adjustments (forcing it to do so, by trying to screw the adjuster in further than four turns, will only risk damaging the LPR seat seal).

This is one reason why you can count adjustments in turns and not need to set the pressure precisely with a gauge. The LPR is designed to work in the recommended pressure range, right around the factory set pressure, and won't vary too much above or below that pressure. As such, with a minimal pressure range, spread across four turns of adjustment (although it is recommended that you stick with the two turn range of two to four turns in from flush) being a fraction of a turn out makes only a tiny difference in output pressure.

[Dirty J]

Originally Posted by Uziel Gal

LPR pressure is approximately 100psi when flush, so a little less when two turns in.

The LPR uses a balanced piston - it is set between two springs. As such, any adjustment that compresses one spring, also compresses the other spring, and more or less cancels out the adjustment.

The LPR on an Ego or Etek is only intended as a fine adjuster, and will not make large adjustments (forcing it to do so, by trying to screw the adjuster in further than four turns, will only risk damaging the LPR seat seal).

This is one reason why you can count adjustments in turns and not need to set the pressure precisely with a gauge. The LPR is designed to work in the recommended pressure range, right around the factory set pressure, and won't vary too much above or below that pressure. As such, with a minimal pressure range, spread across four turns of adjustment (although it is recommended that you stick with the two turn range of two to four turns in from flush) being a fraction of a turn out makes only a tiny difference in output pressure.

Thanks for the info. I did not know that the LPR was basically "pre-set" in the recommended range and you are only making very minor adjustments with the screw. That is certainly very different from a BL gun.

What of my question in regards to dwell and shot count. Any information to add on that topic?

[Uziel Gal]

I don't think that Planet ever specified an expected shot count for the Etek3. I did get to use a prototype for a while just prior to the public release, but can't remember what kind of numbers I was getting - sorry.

[PAINTBALL 24/7]

buy a kush bolt zick 2 kit, and change the dwell to 12.5 and the lpr all the way out and 2 1/2 in i did this to my etek and its now shooting great

[The G-FOURce]

Originally Posted by Uziel Gal

....

This is one reason why you can count adjustments in turns and not need to set the pressure precisely with a gauge. The LPR is designed to work in the recommended pressure range, right around the factory set pressure, and won't vary too much above or below that pressure. As such, with a minimal pressure range, spread across four turns of adjustment (although it is recommended that you stick with the two turn range of two to four turns in from flush) being a fraction of a turn out makes only a tiny difference in output pressure.

so, does anyone know what PE uses, if anything, to test LPR pressure when prototyping a marker prior to release? i would think they'd test pressures to ensure that engineering and machining were accurate, neh?

[Punisher 281]

A different barrel with more porting and paint to bore matching will probably be the most effective.