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Old 04-19-2015, 08:43 AM #1
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Red face GOG ENVY not firing

Hey guys, bought a used ENVY with the blackheart board.

It had a solenoid leak, use to shoot with the leak at about 270fps or so, then replaced the solenoid and all the orings. Now it doesn't even shoot.

All it does is make the PUFF sound.

I've tried to increase the velocity via the reg and change the dwell (yellow) settings. Just goes puff puff puff puff.. ball doesn't even come out of the chamber. It just gets lodged onto the detents.

Any ideas?
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:06 AM #2
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Puffpuffs are almost always a battery issue. Did you swap to a new, name brand battery when you replaced the noid?

Alternatively, check the dwell setting.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:20 AM #3
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yeah I am using a new Duracell 9v. I tried another new one as well and same deal.

I've upped the dwell and it's still the same. Is it possible that the board is damaged and not firing properly as the microswitch gets depressed?
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:25 AM #4
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Anything is possible but I would look to a few other areas first. Does the bolt slide freely in the firing can when you push it back and forth by hand? Sometimes either the bolt or can o-rings can get cut and a piece can be sticking off and physically jam the bolt enough to stick. Also, if its stopping at the detents, they could be damaged as well. Try removing them, then putting the marker back together to see if it will cycle. All of this is of course assuming that the bolt system is properly cleaned and lubed (how-to's in the forum sticky's I think, if you need them).
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:39 AM #5
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The bolt seems to be fine. The orings are good. I've taken it apart a few times but it keeps coming to the conclusion of making that puff. I can see the bolt cycling but I'm assuming 1) it's not getting enough air or 2) not enough air is being released - what I don't know is what could possibly be stopping it since I've upped the reg velocity and everything is clean and lubed. I also upped the dwell.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:40 AM #6
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btw, thanks for helping me out. I appreciate it.
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Old 04-19-2015, 10:02 AM #7
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Not a problem! Sadly, this may be one of those problems that's beyond my ability to help you out with through the forums. It might be time to give GOG a call and see what they can do to help, or if they want you to send it in to be repaired.
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Old 04-19-2015, 10:16 AM #8
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yeah true, thanks anyways. I'll give them a call or something I guess lol
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:51 PM #9
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By any chance will you be at Castle at EMR this weekend? Saw you're from New York so I figured there may be a shot. If you're going, I'll be there with a dealer-grade parts kit maybe I can help you out?
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:45 AM #10
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Negative, won't be there this weekend. Wish I could go though lol
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Old 04-20-2015, 08:45 AM #11
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Apart from batteries/dwell, if the sail oring on the bolt is the incorrect size or not sealing you will get the same symptoms. What bolt are you using? The sail oring is not a standard size on the stock bolt. If you still have the old sail oring that you removed, I would try that.
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Old 04-20-2015, 06:25 PM #12
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I'm using a stock bolt I believe. The sail oring is which one again? haha
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Old 04-20-2015, 08:04 PM #13
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Are you using a QEV on the gun, or just a regular banjo fitting?

The sail o-ring is the largest one on the bolt. The stock bolts use a 16mm ID x 2mm CS metric o-ring there.

Have you tried opening the solenoid to make sure the little disk in there is moving freely? Assuming you still have the old leaking solenoid, you could try swapping out that disk from the old one to the new (honestly not sure if they are the same in a Blackheart VS stock, but I imagine they would be).
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Old 04-20-2015, 08:08 PM #14
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my long time ago custom valve making friend, how are you? lol

I am not using a QEV. just a regular fitting. there are no leaks if that matters.

It's a break new solenoid. hmmm... the sail oring is metric? I'll have to take a look again. thanks guys. I'll see if I can put a video up soon as well.
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Old 04-20-2015, 08:46 PM #15
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I'm good, how you doing? You know - beside trying to figure out a malfunctioning gun.

Yeah, that one is metric. Every other o-ring is standard size. The closest standard size is a 016, and that won't seal with a stock bolt. A 017 might seal, but would be too tight to do any good. The correct o-ring is noticeably thicker than the other o-rings if you look closely.

One thing you could try that would let us know if the solenoid is acting up (would take some fittings, but you might have them):

Take the board/solenoid out of the gun. The line that goes into the back of the gun - block that off. Take the one that goes into the body right behind the feedneck, and connect that to a large container of some kind that can hold pressure (old CO2 tank or something - relatively easy to do with a tubing fitting and an old ASA). Hook the air up, and it should charge the tank. When you hit the trigger, you should get a sizable burst of air out of the solenoid. If nothing happens, it is likely either plugged somewhere or the armature (metal disk in the solenoid) is hung up and not moving.

You could try taking the fitting off of the gun from behind the feedneck and see if the fitting blasts out air when you air it up, and make sure it stops momentarily when you pull the trigger (do NOT put your finger over it to check, that could end very badly).

Take the board completely out and disconnect all of the fittings. Plug the back and front most fittings. Blow into the fitting that hooks to the body behind the feedneck (the one that controls the bolt cycling) and the air should go nowhere. Pull the trigger - you should feel the air suddenly burst out if the solenoid is actuating.

Taking the solenoid apart and making sure that disk can move freely is probably the easiest thing to try. A light dab of grease on the rubber seals won't hurt, but it shouldn't be swimming in grease.
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Old 04-20-2015, 09:08 PM #16
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I'm doing well brother.

Alright, I'll give it a try. This thing looks so simple but it's giving me a headache lol. thanks!
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