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Old 12-14-2011, 03:53 PM #1
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DYE RAM underrated?

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I'm in the process of building my first Karni -- my first cocker build period. And I DYE RAM off a new ultralite cocker that I've had for some time due to a bad shaft oring on a PE .44. I wanted to know if the DYE Rams are underrated? I am asking because I've been shooting lasers with the Karni and I do not feel any ROF issues or smoothness issues. I was hoping someone with experience using the dye rams on an eblade app could chime in.

Also, I wanted to ask how I can install qevs on the DYE ram. The front barb seems to be internal.

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Old 12-14-2011, 04:55 PM #2
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Probably need heat to get the barb off. I don't have access to my friends dye cocker atm or I'd be able to tell you for sure.

I'll know in about 20-30 minutes.

As far as being underrated? Most people really just don't like the Dye pneumatics at all. The rams weren't particularly smooth or fast. Takes higher pressure to recock the gun then with a shocktech ram for example.

Personally I'd put the ram back on the dye cocker cuz I'm one of those people that like to keep PL guns like those completely stock. You can get a new oring for the PE ram. They are rebuildable.

Of course if you think its working fine and don't feel like rebuilding the PE one then leave it be. If you don't feel any smoothness issues then whats the point of changing anything? Namean?
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:28 PM #3
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I didn't have an issue screwing the mini pump arm off the shaft. It didnt have loctite alhtough it was tight as ****.

EDIT: OHH the barb. The barb ont he DYE ram is internal. At least the front one. i dont se ehow I can isntall two QEVs.

I also like to keep the guns stock. In this particular case I bought the Karni body off a friend and I got a matching solenoid manifold and karni tickler so I'll just get the Mp4 ram later.

I just wantesd this gun up and running to mow some faces with it this w/e

And I do plan on rebuilding the Evo ram but I need to order a shaft oring and a pick since its almost impossible to take it out without a pick

I got it up and runnign and shot a whole bag an dIdnt see any issue swith the DYE ram at all. I didnt really have to turn up the LPR compared to the Evo. I tihnk people just repeat what they hear without having tried the RAM themselves.

In the DM3's, the DYE LPR is 95% identical to the AKA soda can and probably the most underrated LPR in pb history.

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Old 12-15-2011, 08:51 AM #4
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I think the subject of rams and e-cockers is overrated IMO. Having said that, I do use EVO rams on all the cockers I keep.

At 10 bps or above I don't think anyone could shoot a cocker blindfolded and say "oh, that ram is sticky."

Could you post a pic of the barb? Not familiar with dye rams.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:28 PM #5
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I think the subject of rams and e-cockers is overrated IMO. Having said that, I do use EVO rams on all the cockers I keep.

At 10 bps or above I don't think anyone could shoot a cocker blindfolded and say "oh, that ram is sticky."
Completely agree!
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Old 12-15-2011, 04:07 PM #6
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The stock ram is (was, it ate itself a few years ago) my least favorite part of my DYE Cocker. Love the rest of it, hated the ram.
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:31 PM #7
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The stock ram is (was, it ate itself a few years ago) my least favorite part of my DYE Cocker. Love the rest of it, hated the ram.
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Ate itself? I'm planning on an MP4. From what I hear the MP4 is on par with an EVo .44 with QEVs. Until then I hope the RAM doesnt go cannibal on itself
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:35 PM #8
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Resell value is irrelevant to me since I rarely resell any guns.

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Old 12-17-2011, 01:14 PM #9
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Hell of a deal, did it have a dye beavertail and all original parts?
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:17 PM #10
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Hell of a deal, did it have a dye beavertail and all original parts?
Yup. Perfect condition. Never shot. Matching Boomstick barrel, beavertail, and all og parts. AND its a tri-fade.

I also picked up a brand new blue dm3 for $150 along with the ultralite. Came with the box and all OG aprts including the DYE lube, Matrix barrel-sock, and allen keys.
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The DYE rams are identical to Shocktech rams internally. They're just as good as 95% of the rams out there when taken care of, really. Without threading the front barb hole for a larger barb, you won't be able to get two QEV's on the gun, but just one will still help.

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Old 12-25-2011, 09:32 PM #12
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I have to agree with Pump Scout, I was never impressed with the Dye rams. The ones I worked with were rough, and sluggish. They also tended to eat o-rings, if I recall correctly.
In my eyes, there were better, more reliable rams on the market, then and now.
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