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Old 12-08-2011, 09:59 PM #1
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Need some serious help in this pump build

So this is what I'm working with.



Triology with what I think is a worrframe (need someone to confirm that) and a ANS gear pump kit. I have NO idea what reg this is and would love to know! Also, I've pulled off all the pneumatics and installed the pump kit, and it airs up just fine, no leaks, but it wont shoot. The solenoid or whatever the mechanism that releases the trigger isnt functioning. It's got a barb on it, but I was told by someone to complete pull all the hoses off so I did. Does it need an air supply? I thought it was a supply. and if so, how do I set that janx up?

I am completely and totally a newb to pumps and autocockers, but I understand completely how a basic autococker works. Just cant figure out this noid thing.

If you need any info OR pictures from me, lemme know
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:32 PM #2
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stock wgp reg. just making sure... you have a battery in it, right? just put a mech frame on it, no point in having an e-framed pump, unless it's mq'd.
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Old 12-08-2011, 10:35 PM #3
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I did but I take out my batteries when I'm not using my guns and this isn't mine. I tech electros all the time so when my friend said he was picking this up I wanted to build it for him so I could learn cockers. I bought a mech pump for myself but that was easy. And I plan to eventually mq it but I just wanted to get it working first. He's also broke and can't afford the mq right now. I have a feeling I'll end up giving him my pump and paying the difference for this one.
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:48 AM #4
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I had the same question, and the same gun.

NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE SOLENOID!!! This is called a select fire frame, btw, and it requires air to operate. You need to reattach the hose to the fitting inside the grip, then attach that to a regular cocker lpr (not a trilogy) that is "side-car'd" to an on off Asa with two ports. If you don't have any cocker parts laying around, it would be cheaper to buy a used mechanical frame from the b/s/t section.

If you need pictures (I did) to understand what I'm saying, I can post pics of my temporary configuration tomorrow.

Edit: changed to make more sense.
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:52 AM #5
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fml this does not sound fun. can I just do an mq conversion (idk what that really means yet)?
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:54 AM #6
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fml this does not sound fun. can I just do an mq conversion (idk what that really means yet)?
Umm... It's really quite simple. Here's an example on a mag:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3715305

If you don't want to do that, just buy a mechanical trigger frame for around $15
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:55 AM #7
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Oh and if you could find an mq valve, it would cost an arm and a leg.
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there are some on ebay. found an mq2 and a older mq
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could I potentially get a noid from an eblade frame?

and theoretically I could tap a hole in the top of the asa, put a fitting in the top and run the hose that way so it wouldnt get in the way of anything
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:58 AM #10
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there are some on ebay. found an mq2 and a older mq
It's up to you, but if you don't understand cockers all that well, an mq valve won't help.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:01 AM #11
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i understand mech cockers no prob. Just couldnt figure out how the noid on this particular one was sposed to work.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:06 AM #12
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i understand mech cockers no prob. Just couldnt figure out how the noid on this particular one was sposed to work.
All the battery does it tell the noid to allow the air in, which trips the sear and then moves the three way rod. It basically does everything you would do in a mechanical trigger pull, only at the push of a button. pm me if you have any other questions regarding this gun, as it has probably happened to mine.
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:24 PM #13
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Nice mech frame = 50$ at the max.
MQ2 = 150$-250$

Mech frame sounds like the better option to me.
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Mech frames actually get up to $90 for the best, but I do agree that a new frame is the cheapest, easiest method. Keeping that frame requires buying an adjustable LPR, setting it up and tuning it a bit... but then you still have an LPR hanging off your gun somehow.
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Old 12-09-2011, 02:13 PM #15
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Mech frames actually get up to $90 for the best, but I do agree that a new frame is the cheapest, easiest method. Keeping that frame requires buying an adjustable LPR, setting it up and tuning it a bit... but then you still have an LPR hanging off your gun somehow.
I kinda like the way the lpr setup looks on my gun, but I had a spare lpr laying around, so it didn't cost me anything.
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Mech frames actually get up to $90 for the best, but I do agree that a new frame is the cheapest, easiest method. Keeping that frame requires buying an adjustable LPR, setting it up and tuning it a bit... but then you still have an LPR hanging off your gun somehow.
so buy a mech frame, waste a perfectly good body and worrframe, all because of a part I can get for 10-15 bucks and spend some time tuning? I actually enjoy tuning. Proud to say I had a mini shooting at 285 fps on 125 psi with a 4ms dwell. Smoothest gun I've ever shot. Tuning isn't a problem
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If you can get the lpr cheaper than you can get the new frame, go with that
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gonna go talk to the main tech guy at pevs tomorrow. Dudes real chill and hes big on autocockers. He might be able to set me up with a bunch of stuff
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Just trying to help, fella.
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Just trying to help, fella.
i here ya man I just want to at least give it a shot with the worrframe first. That lpr set up seems simple enough
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Pretty simple, just attach it to your ASA and plug the hose in to the right barbs. The real problem is that you're going to have an LPR dangling off the gun. You could probably work out a way to add it inside of the frame, but chances are that would require machine work outside of what the average person is capable of.
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