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Old 08-11-2014, 02:55 PM #1
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ZII 4-month follow-up/ specifics

OK,

After 4 months of testing this marker, I have nothing but good things to say about it's performance. I will say that it does need some tuning out of the box in order to unlock it's true potential and be PSP-ready. When tuned properly, this marker will shoot all day under rigorous grind sessions and tournaments with no problems. After dropping in an after-market main spring, and fixing the problems with the hush bolt, this marker quieted down significantly.

I think a lot can still be done with this platform, particularly with the hammer. In addition, the fully adjustable solenoid option - via the "dwell setting" on the OLED board - is probably the best feature about this board regarding prolonged battery life efficiency, and an overall quieter- less aggressive noid.

Cons - I haven't touched on the reciprocating mass issue with the hammer. Maybe here in the near future, I will mill out a hammer and see if it makes a difference in conjunction with the zero system. Also, in conjunction, one would have to ask if such a large noid is even necessary with this set-up. I didn't run the setting below "3," but I feel that maybe it could have gone lower, maybe to "2," the 2nd lowest setting - an extremely low amount electricity to the noid. With a smaller noid, they could contour the grip and make it more ergonomically correct.

Shot quality seems to be the biggest issue with ballers on this forum. In the vs/comparison forum of PBN, one's agrument - educated or not - revolves around shot quality of a marker. They don't particularly care much about everything else - though they very well should. So, to fix some of the issues with shot quality on this marker would - in my opinion - dramatically affect the typical baller's perception of this marker.

Also, it needs to his the tourney scene - aka PSP - in order to be taken seriously by the rest of the community. There are a lot of markers out there that are fantastic (take for instance - the valken proton) that people simply neglect due to it's lack of presence in the tourney scene. In the proton's case, people constantly compare it to a mini - which has a very strong presence in the tourney scene. This is actually a stupid reason to base one's choice on the marker he or she buys, but reality is: It's still a pretty big reason.


Features that I would like to see in the next Zenith line:

- slimmer ergonomics,
- Different hammer/striker
- Different bolt.
- and please, new grips!

Everything else is fine. The reg works great, the trigger is awesome, all the external components on the marker are fantastic.

SO, it's not a question of whether or not this marker can hang with the rest. (as testing through Mudd Hills indicates that it very well can when tuned right.). It's a question of: What's Azodin going to bring new to the table for the next generation Zenith.









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Old 08-11-2014, 03:39 PM #2
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Nice vid man.
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:22 AM #3
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Thanks! I updated my top post with some more specifics.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:25 AM #4
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What is the efficiency on your ZII?
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:32 AM #5
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:13 PM #6
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I've been MIA for a few days. Very nice vid DRAXX and an even better post. You had mentioned doing a main spring change/mod, is that the only spring that you changed?
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Old 08-12-2014, 06:34 PM #7
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Yeah, the reg was darn near turned all the way in when I ran it with the stock bolt. I had to expand the reg a little more with the Hush bolt, but it's still more efficient than it was out of the box. I left the Zero system at factory settings, but could easily adjust it if I needed it to match a certain main spring.

Ideally, the same mod would work on the KDII as well, and any other zero-fitted marker.
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:24 PM #8
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Thanks for taking the time for the review! Appreciated
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Old 08-13-2014, 07:39 AM #9
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Yeah, the reg was darn near turned all the way in when I ran it with the stock bolt. I had to expand the reg a little more with the Hush bolt, but it's still more efficient than it was out of the box. I left the Zero system at factory settings, but could easily adjust it if I needed it to match a certain main spring.

Ideally, the same mod would work on the KDII as well, and any other zero-fitted marker.
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:45 PM #10
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Can you give the links to all the after market upgrades please thanks.
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Old 08-16-2014, 09:16 PM #11
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:04 PM #13
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I would like to see how it feels with a softer main spring, if it is a drastic difference in shot feel then I would definitely be all for it.
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Old 08-18-2014, 06:39 AM #14
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Softer main spring will require more pressure/softer valve spring. Meaning less shots per tank and possibly a louder shot.
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:59 AM #15
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Softer main spring will require more pressure/softer valve spring. Meaning less shots per tank and possibly a louder shot.
Guess I'm sticking with stock parts. Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 08-31-2014, 05:57 PM #16
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Good video and review.

Would you say that the ZII is tourney capable for new emerging teams that can't afford $1000 guns?

Should Azodin put together teams to compete at lower levels to promote the ZII?

I see so many players in the last little while say how great the ZII is after trying it, but none will say they will switch to it....
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I dont see why a d4/5 team couldn't go with a zii. As long as the zii can hold up to putting that many shots thru it. Teams will need to see that it won't give hiccups in the middle of a match.
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Old 09-01-2014, 05:37 PM #18
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Great! Hope to see D4/5 team shooting ZII.

I know of several young tourney kids that want a decent entry tourney marker that won't break their tiny piggy banks. Since Spyder is non existent until Empire get them out, Azodin..... window of opportunity.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:17 PM #19
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Compared to a GOG eXTCy, is it worth $100 more? Looks fairly well made and the board/screen is nice, but does it shoot better than other low priced markers? I have a few of the older balanced valve Spyders, and quite honestly none of them were close to the feel of even a base ion/Mini/axe/proton. For anyone with those other sub $400 markers as well, how does this compare?
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Compared to a GOG eXTCy, is it worth $100 more? Looks fairly well made and the board/screen is nice, but does it shoot better than other low priced markers? I have a few of the older balanced valve Spyders, and quite honestly none of them were close to the feel of even a base ion/Mini/axe/proton. For anyone with those other sub $400 markers as well, how does this compare?
It's a stacked tube marker so how about some equal comparisons. This post almost doesn't make any sense to me, the Axe??? A $460 marker is not a comparable marker for this price range. The Ion, old marker which sells for $60. The Mini, right price in the wrong segment, it's an inline poppet. The Proton, right price in the wrong segment, it's a spoolie. I understand what you were trying to suggest but it is just so far off that I had to say something. You can't compare such as the Mini and Proton to a ZII simply because they are not going to shoot the same because they were not designed to shoot the same.

What you could have done was compare it to other stacked tube style markers like DRAXX mentioned in his video. Maybe an Etek, even an older EGO will make more of a comparison to the ZII than a Ion or Proton. Also the ZII has an OLED board that lets you fully customize almost every aspect of the marker which none of the markers you mentioned have. That's including the Axe which is $160 more.

Am I saying that the ZII is definitely better than any of the markers that you or I mentioned, no, but it is a great marker with simplicity and quality in mind. It does the two of these things very well.

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Old 09-02-2014, 09:20 PM #21
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Yea, if you're going with retail prices, the axe is out of price range. That's apples and oranges.....

I wouldn't mention the ion in the same sentence with the zii. Its not even close.

the extcy isn't a bad marker, the oled tips the scales on the zii side for me.

part availability is a joke for the proton.

my guess is you are a DP hater. But I'm thinking the closest competitor for the zii is the g5. Shoots great, very comfy. Just requires more maintenance.....
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