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Old 11-30-2014, 11:01 AM #1
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So I took out my new All yesterday for the first time and must say hmmmm, first off had a hard time getting the fps to 280 very inconsistent, did get it there after lots of tuning though, then I go out to play my first game shoot and massive air leak blowing out the handgrips and 4-5 paintballs flying out of the barrel kept doing this most of the day very frustrating I guess I assumed this gun would work out of the box? Yes I did go through the gun first made sure I had Azodin lube on the o-rings per the user manual so......might keep this as a back up gun or sell it
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Old 11-30-2014, 01:08 PM #2
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Sounds like a leak at the valve. Either the valve itself or the cup seal. When you check out the marker again, do a quick check to be sure the retaining screw for holding the valve in place is tight.
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So I took the gun completely apart double checked everything, everything was tight the little o ring in the cup seal seemed ok I cleaned everything and re-lubed the o rings ran a hopper full off paint and seemed ok however I did this before at home and all was ok until I went to play?
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:10 PM #4
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Having multiple balls come out of the barrel per shot is usually one of two things. 1). Balls are getting by the detents before the shot by poor or missing detent(s) and/or hopper tension on ball stack too high. 2). Additional balls being "shot" out due to the valve not closing properly. The first ball leaves the barrel on its own but the valve stays open when the bolt/hammer returns to the back position and it is the air flowing through the valve that kind of spits the balls out just as fast as the hopper can feed them into the breach.
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Old 11-30-2014, 05:17 PM #5
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Yea, sounds like your valve is sticking open.
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Old 11-30-2014, 05:23 PM #6
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Yea, sounds like your valve is sticking open.
how is this preventable?is it something I am doing?
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Old 11-30-2014, 06:08 PM #7
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First thing is to check that all the parts are assembled correctly and that they are all there. It may be that the valve pin (poppet) is on the spring at an odd angle preventing it from being centered through the valve. Less likely would be something like the valve is in backwards or that the valve is loose in the bottom tube (this is why I asked about the retaining screw). There could also be some issue with the poppet spring as well.
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Like CA said, my money is on the guide stem or spring. Ed might have a different suggestion, but maybe try giving your zero system a couple adjustments in.(clockwise). Put more tension on the spring and maybe it'll push the valve shut with more force.
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Old 11-30-2014, 08:50 PM #9
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Like CA said, my money is on the guide stem or spring. Ed might have a different suggestion, but maybe try giving your zero system a couple adjustments in.(clockwise). Put more tension on the spring and maybe it'll push the valve shut with more force.
well I had to turn the screw on zero system all the way out just to get the gun to shoot at 280fps its was shooting 320fps, the rear velocity screw is turned all the way out too
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Old 12-01-2014, 11:33 AM #10
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What's your reg pressure set at?
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What's your reg pressure set at?
Now that im not sure whatever it is from the factory how can I tell the pressure? Also thanks for the help on this I really appreciate it
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Roughly...its 20 psi for every 1/4 turn OUT. I think the zii operates at 240+-
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Roughly...its 20 psi for every 1/4 turn OUT. I think the zii operates at 240+-
ok thanks I will play around with this gun and try to tune it before I give up on it
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:19 PM #14
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Sorry to keep going on but is there a way to know exactly what my reg pressure is besides just turning the screw?thanks in advance
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Sorry to keep going on but is there a way to know exactly what my reg pressure is besides just turning the screw?thanks in advance
Yup. Build a pressure tester or get a reg gauge adapter.

All you need is an ASA and a gauge. I made one for myself and used a cheap on/off ASA off of eBay and put a 0-1200 psi gauge on it. It screws directly on a tank, turn on the ASA and get a pressure reading. You can use this same thing for checking a reg. You would take the reg off the marker (but leave it connected to the air line), screw the tester on, then apply air. You can then get the output of the reg off the tester gauge.

Another option is to get a gauge adapter that CP puts out. It lengthens the reg a little bit but you can keep it on and use the marker as normal.
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Yup. Build a pressure tester or get a reg gauge adapter.

All you need is an ASA and a gauge. I made one for myself and used a cheap on/off ASA off of eBay and put a 0-1200 psi gauge on it. It screws directly on a tank, turn on the ASA and get a pressure reading. You can use this same thing for checking a reg. You would take the reg off the marker (but leave it connected to the air line), screw the tester on, then apply air. You can then get the output of the reg off the tester gauge.

Another option is to get a gauge adapter that CP puts out. It lengthens the reg a little bit but you can keep it on and use the marker as normal.
Thanks for the help ill give it a try
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No problem. If you decide to make a tester and need some help/ideas, feel free to post up.

Also, here is the CP gauge port adapter that you can just screw on the reg:



I think they are sold at various places and run about $20. I don't know if anybody else makes a similar adapter, I've only seen the CP one as something to use with any reg with standard ASA threading.
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[quote=CA_Tectonics;85919073]No problem. If you decide to make a tester and need some help/ideas, feel free to post up.

Also, here is the CP gauge port adapter that you can just screw on the reg:



I think they are sold at various places and run about $20. I don't know if anybody else makes a similar adapter, I've only seen the CP one as something to use with any reg with standard ASA threading.
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No problem. If you decide to make a tester and need some help/ideas, feel free to post up.

Also, here is the CP gauge port adapter that you can just screw on the reg:



I think they are sold at various places and run about $20. I don't know if anybody else makes a similar adapter, I've only seen the CP one as something to use with any reg with standard ASA threading.
Thanks again I will order one up after the holidays and will post when I am finished thanks again
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No problem. I hope you were able to get the marker working properly though.
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No problem. I hope you were able to get the marker working properly though.
I haven't had time to mess with it yet....I will post when I get it running good, I did buy an Empire Axe Pro Le though (hehe)
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