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Old 12-04-2011, 01:58 AM #1
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Comparison between custom built guns & a gun from CCM

Originally posted on my website...

Quite a few people locally ask me what is so good about CCM guns, so I explain that they're built to be pumps and that everything that goes into them was designed to be a pump.
I also tell them about the craftsmanship, detail, and customization that goes into each marker.

This article compares the differences between my custom built tremor series and an S6 that you would buy from CCM


CCM S6 with 45* showing 2 pump handle options


CCM S6 with 86* frame


Hand built shocktech tremor series with CCM parts


Tremor Series on top of a S6
Notice the difference in where the ASA sits (different frames)


The S6 on top of the Tremor Series

I do not have any other guns here with me right now, but T2 & S6.5 are half blocked, & there are lots of midblocked guns out there as well.

The only differences in the guns above are minor, they all have all CCM parts.
Below is a simple conversion of older autococker



I see a lot of people who take a random autococker they've acquired and put a pump on it. Then they wonder why its not as smooth & has that farting sound.

If you're going to do a custom pump build, and you want it to be comparable to a CCM gun, you'll need to put CCM parts inside.

Body - the newest CCM guns (T2 & 6.5) are half blocked, they also still make the full block S6. If you're making a custom gun you can pick from a number of rare bodies or custom milled bodies that are either full, half or mid blocked. CCM does custom anodizing but you could also pick a unique or rare body if you want your gun to be even more 1 of a kind. Rare bodies can go for $200-300

Pump kit - The best on the market is the CCM kit, but gat products also has a AT kit that works with a slider frame. My teammate put one of these on his Dark Cocker which was very impressive. If you're not going to put an autotrigger on your gun there are cheaper kits available for like $30

Frame - CCM makes a 45 frame in thin & standard versions along with a 86* frame. If you're going with CCM you can buy it as a kit with the pump, frame, and cam all together for approx $200

Bolt - CCM guns come with the best bolt available. If you build your own its important to have a bolt that matches your gun for purposes of the detentes but you want to find one that is smooth. CCM delrin bolt is excellent.

Regulator - You can decide what you like the most, I'm a fan of the CCM, or Palmer's Stabalizer... if you're having problems with consistency look here first.

on/off & rail - I kinda think the CCM on/off sucks, but then again its all personal preference.

elbows - CCM takes it to the next level with matching 90* swivel elbows, they're nifty for any gun.

feedneck - CCM guns have clamping feednecks but if you're building your own make sure that the feedneck fits your hopper, clamping is always nice.

internals - this is by far the most important part.. and so many people skip this!! you need to balance your springs, that is what causes the farting & inconsistency. In my opinion CCM makes the best internals, as I said before they were designed to be a pump. If you convert your gun make sure you do not skip this step

barrels - match your paint to your barrel so you don't get roll outs. much more important in pump then in semi. CCM guns come with a good barrel kit, otherwise theres a number of different choices out there if you're building your own. Look for a kit with small bore backs.


Now you know the difference between a gun from CCM, and a gun built with CCM parts. Always make sure you're upgrading the internals. Custom built guns can have more character, but if you're building it from the ground up it may end up costing you more then a gun directly from CCM.

A lot of people put a lot of money into converting a gun like a prostock & then by the time they're done with it they realize they should have just purchased a CCM gun from the get-go.... or some other prebuilt high end pump

Its important to know what you're getting when someone advertised that it is a "CCM'd gun" You could slap a CCM pump arm on there with out even putting an autotrigger & call it a "CCM'd" but obviously that is a lot different then something that people have completely replaced everything inside the gun.

My article mainly focuses on putting CCM parts in guns, however I do hear good things about GAT products and there are other custom options out there. I just do not have any experience with them at this time.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:41 AM #2
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im not sure where this write up is going.. its just alot of random opinion really not pertaining to a ccm vs ccm'd gun.

ccm'd has always meant a ccm pump kit'd sniper. anything after that (ccm wise) should really not be called CCM'd in the title but merely listed in the specs for example: (F/s: sanchez'd sniper with ccm internals) i dont believe anyone has ever bought a ccm'd gun thinking it came completely decked out in ccm. that would be a rediculous mistake on the buyers part.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:04 PM #3
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i will have to agree with the above poster, lots of opinion, not much fact.

facts would be:

-you can get your CCM gun anno'd in dust or gloss, in any of their available colors. you can get laser etching? to personalize the marker even more.

-you can pick any of 3 hinge grip frames: thin 45, regular 45, 86

-gun comes ready to shoot out of the box, no tuning of springs to eliminate farting or sweetspotting needed.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:39 PM #4
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Fact: You can build a gun with CCM parts that is equal to or greater then pre-built one

Fact: You may end up spending more money doing so

Fact: A lot of people over look the internals
(Opinion: that is a big mistake, as internals are very important)

Fact: Body size of full block converted gun is same as an S6 as illustrated by photos

The article is mainly aimed at people that are between building their own gun, or buying a CCM and is a comparison of the two guns shown.

Obviously you both have plenty of experience with pump guns, so its not really targeted at you. It is more for people who don't know what it means to have CCM parts. A lot of people think its just the Autotrigger

But I will agree with you, it is an opinion article, I don't think I'm trying to hide that
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:23 PM #5
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Fact: You can build a gun with CCM parts that is equal to or greater then pre-built one

Umm I would not say greater. I would say they would be almost equal. I have come close with some of the cockers I've build but I ended up spending way more than a new CCM. Not worth it in my opinion.

Fact: The CCM bodies are not convertible to semi

The earlier bodies can. I.e. S6 (not S6B), S5, J2 and T2. Only T2 is still produced.
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Old 12-04-2011, 09:11 PM #6
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CCM also has much tighter tolerances and the internal bores are micro honed(something like that). this produces a "cleaner" pump stroke.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:22 PM #7
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The earlier bodies can. I.e. S6 (not S6B), S5, J2 and T2. Only T2 is still produced.
Yep.

Looky at what I found....



And the newer S6's, you just have to find a way to get the timing rod around the integrated vertical ASA.
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Old 12-05-2011, 12:20 AM #8
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Well then I stand corrected.
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Frankly, I think the real difference must be felt. I was quite a skeptic myself once.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:21 AM #10
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And the newer S6's, you just have to find a way to get the timing rod around the integrated vertical ASA.

Secondary guide rod is a problem as well. They loctite it down. I don't want to damage the rod removing it so I never got it off
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Old 12-08-2011, 08:39 PM #11
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:59 PM #12
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Frankly, I think the real difference must be felt. I was quite a skeptic myself once.
Agreed. I was also once the person asking sarcastically "why you would ever want/need a $600 pump gun"... and I just got this in the mail two days ago. It's my fourth CCM gun now. And it was all together well over $600... but sooo worth it.

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It was relevant, but I won't deny your claim sir.
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I admire your honesty. Just want to throw in a quick word in response to this thread. You are correct, if you want a gun like a CCM it's going to be best done with CCM parts but you know that CCM isn't be all end all? You seem to have just compiled a list of things CCM makes and said if you like them or not.
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It's up to the individual player to determine the worth of a CCM gun over another... but how many of the thousands of CCM owners can be wrong?
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I feel like if you're going to build something, you mine as well do it right.
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All in all snipers are great shooting guns. I believe that they are the best shooting pump guns in existence. Ive recently switched over to CCM exclusively and i will say there's def. some secret JuJu going on there. The guns shoot Straighter and smoother than any sniper ive ever owned.

I think this has to do with the fact that every gun is built individually and made to work with the parts that are on it. Im a firm believer that from the factory is always better than pieced together. CCM's build quality and craftsmanship are examples of this idea.
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