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Old 09-12-2012, 10:27 PM #64
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You'll be fine - either of you have any problems just contact me!
Yeah it wasn't too bad to get on my Mini once I figured it out. It should be all good. But I will contact you. Thanks!
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:32 PM #65
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Orders from this week got themselves an Extra! Thanks To Tyler R. for testing this off the shelf solution!

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Old 09-13-2012, 04:51 PM #66
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Is that white thing similar to the delrin spacer offered by boss?
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:30 PM #67
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While I don't know how to compare the two, it fulfills the same function. It's an off the shelf oring backup from mcmaster Carr. Made from ptfe
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:49 PM #68
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I looked on the website and didn't see anywhere to order. Do you have to order an entire new bolt or are you going to offer it as an extra?
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:09 PM #69
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I included them free this week. It's an o-ring; I don't really see any reason to charge extra for o-rings...
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:38 PM #70
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I included them free this week. It's an o-ring; I don't really see any reason to charge extra for o-rings...
Hey how loose should the spacer be on the Axe bolt guide? Mine can move about a millimeter. When I put it on my Mini it didn't move whatsoever.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:05 PM #71
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What purpose does that spring spacer serve?
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:25 PM #72
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What purpose does that spring spacer serve?
It cushions the end of the forward stroke of the bolt, where the spring would completely compress. It would make the shot smoother, less kick, probably quieter.
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Hey how loose should the spacer be on the Axe bolt guide? Mine can move about a millimeter. When I put it on my Mini it didn't move whatsoever.
that's pretty normal - you can see the difference in the bolt guides where the mini's bumper groove is at a 90 degree angle and the axe has been cut at a 45 degree angle. I don't know if Simon did this intentionally to hate on me
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:53 PM #74
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that's pretty normal - you can see the difference in the bolt guides where the mini's bumper groove is at a 90 degree angle and the axe has been cut at a 45 degree angle. I don't know if Simon did this intentionally to hate on me
Yeah +- 1mm isn't bad I was just making sure it was normal. Wonder if you could rework the spacer to accept the angle. Don't think it's too big of a deal though.
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Old 09-15-2012, 01:35 PM #75
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Note: I'm not experienced with this stuff and never tuned with upgrades.

Received my order yesterday. Today I got to test it out. Shot with the stock barrel and then changed over to the Lurker .678 barrel to underbore using cheap Valken Redemption paint (around .68), went from 270ish fps to over 300. Then installed the bolt using a tank o-ring, which was a lot easier than the o-ring that came with it. Spacer seems to fit nice and snug. A little give, which is apparently normal for the Axe due to bolt guide design.

Lubed everything up with Lurker lube (smells like bananas) and took my pressure down to 170 and dwell to 2 blinks (3.5ms on the Shockwave board), and 1 turn on the back cap. Shot around 265 +/- 7 with a couple outliers. Tried to find the sweet spot at a little under 1 and half turn on the back cap. Lowered pressure to 155 and shot around my target fps of 280 +/- 7 with one or two outliers every dozen or so shots (260s and 290s, and upper 240 if firing fast).

Time to install and lube bolt: 5 mins after I decided to use a tank o-ring.
Time to fine tune: 15 mins

I always thought my stock Axe was somewhat loud. Now, it's very quiet. The sound of the balls moving around as my Rotor is loading almost drowns out the sound of my shots. Didn't have the spring spacer with my order, so I can't comment on that. Still have to field test it of course, but so far so good. Like I said before, I'm not at all familiar with tuning and I'm not entirely sure what I should be looking for as far as the "perfect" setting goes. I just followed the directions on the site. There is noticeable kick, I'm guessing I should be increasing my dwell and decreasing my pressure?

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Old 09-15-2012, 02:47 PM #76
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There is noticeable kick, I'm guessing I should be increasing my dwell and decreasing my pressure?
The goal (at least for me) is to run the lowest possible pressure. Low PSI = smoother shot.
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:20 PM #77
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The goal (at least for me) is to run the lowest possible pressure. Low PSI = smoother shot.
I can't seem to get mine right. I try some of the settings on here and it just doesn't sound right. I shot a few balls out (I'm at an apartment so can't exactly w/o being sketchy) and it just didn't seem like it was reaching a good FPS.

I'm playing tomorrow and really don't want to tune it at the field with a chrono. What is a good setting I can set it to and it'll work fine? I tried setting it to 4ms dwell and 160 psi like Lurker said but it still didn't seem to cycle correctly.

Any suggestions?
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There's no real answer to that. Every gun has it's own quirks and needs it's own tuning process to settle it in at a nice FPS... and when I say "every gun", I mean each individual one. You have to experiment with different settings until you find one that has the right amount of smoothness and FPS that you're satisfied with.

It sounds like you have a good starting point now. I would try dropping your PSI to around 140 and raising dwell to compensate for the FPS drop.
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There's no real answer to that. Every gun has it's own quirks and needs it's own tuning process to settle it in at a nice FPS... and when I say "every gun", I mean each individual one. You have to experiment with different settings until you find one that has the right amount of smoothness and FPS that you're satisfied with.

It sounds like you have a good starting point now. I would try dropping your PSI to around 140 and raising dwell to compensate for the FPS drop.
I'm at 160 psi and 4 ms dwell (16 clicks) and the ball doesn't even make it through the barrel. I even just relubed and reset the spacer.

1 1/2 turns out from all the way in on velocity adjuster.

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I'm at 160 psi and 4 ms dwell (16 clicks) and the ball doesn't even make it through the barrel. I even just relubed and reset the spacer.

1 1/2 turns out from all the way in on velocity adjuster.
I put it on 5 ms dwell. 160 psi. And kept velocity. It came out of barrel. Now wish I could figure out my fps. GRRRR
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Here, try the tuning guide, it might help. I honestly don't know why it isn't stickied yet.
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Old 09-15-2012, 04:44 PM #82
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Here, try the tuning guide, it might help. I honestly don't know why it isn't stickied yet.
If I have time at the chrono tomorrow I will. Since the orings on mine probably still need to be broke in I'm going to keep it at 5ms and 160. Then tomorrow I'll likely just adjust with back cap.

Once I've had a few cases for it I'll retune it. Sound like a legit idea?
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Sounds like a good plan. Honestly, until your reg is completely broken in, just have fun.
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:40 PM #84
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Sounds like a good plan. Honestly, until your reg is completely broken in, just have fun.
Axe is used. Last owner said it's six months old. So I would assume it's somewhat broke in. Just the lurker bolt isn't.
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