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Old 07-09-2012, 10:37 AM #1051
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Hi Rob @ Ninja

I had a bit of a problem with my Ninja Pro reg. I bought it new last December and took it out to a walk on. It was about -3 out and I would find the reg would get 'wet' and very cold under high rates of fire - almost like it freezes up. When this happens, air leaks out of the two grub screws securing the bonnet.

I thought nothing of it but noticed a lot that the reg gets very icey-cold when shooting.

A few weeks back, I took my new Demon to my site to put 3500 balls through her to help break her in and after 700-800 shots, the reg was icey and leaking air through the grub screws. Weird.

So I purged the air from the tank and took the bonnet off and noticed there was pretty much no lube on the piston/orings. Everything was clean - no dirt. Orings were fine.

I took the bottle back to the local site and got the guy who looks after the compressors / bottle maintenance to have a look. He told me off for putting Dow33 on it (people on forms told me to use it - thankfully I never aired it up!) and wiped it off and he put on some proper stuff which is 45 a tube.

I filled my bottle to 3000psi and shot off 8 pods. Reg wasn't cold, was 'normal' temp (but the 1st 5 shots chopped balls - think the reg blew excess lube through the marker - as there was some leaking out of the grip/body joint). No leaks out of the grub screws.

The airsmith couldnt understand why the reg wasnt freezing and the leak had stopped.

Is this normal?
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:51 AM #1052
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I just bought a Ninja 68/45 with adjustable pro reg brand new.
While playing a tournament yesterday I noticed that the outter plastic like wrap on the tank was cracking....every where. I don't know what caused this but it freaks me out and kinda makes me feel unsafe to use the tank.

Is it still safe to use or what should I do?
Hi M-baller. Our bottle manufacturer has had some issues with the outer black gel coat developing cracks. Although the cracks are 100% safe, if you send me clear and multiple pictures of the damage, along with your first/last name, address, and phone number, I'll see what we can do to help you out once I inspect the pictures. If we can deem it a defective gel coat tank, we can most likely replace yours for you and get you a tank with a brand new hydro date.

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Old 07-09-2012, 10:52 AM #1053
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I was cleaning my ninja tank today that I've had for about a month and I noticed a few cracks in it. Is it just the paint cracking or is it a manufacturer's defect?
It could be a defect in the gel coat but I can't tell you for sure without seeing what you're referring to.

Our bottle manufacturer has had some issues with the outer black gel coat developing cracks. Although the cracks are 100% safe, if you send me clear and multiple pictures of the damage, along with your first/last name, address, and phone number, I'll see what we can do to help you out once I inspect the pictures. If we can deem it a defective gel coat tank, we can most likely replace yours for you and get you a tank with a brand new hydro date.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:54 AM #1054
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I bought a Ninja 68/4500 carbon fiber tank yesterday. I am a bit worried as I was giving it a look over, touching the pin and the o-rings on the regulator nozzle etc, and then I touched my fill nipple. Obviously Ive heard the exploding tank horror stories and am a bit paranoid. I have not filled the tank yet, but I am worried that from touching the regulator nozzle and then the fill nipple that I may have transferred some of the stock lube/oil (is there any lube/oil on a ninja reg out of the box?) on to the fill nipple.

Should I be concerned about this? What can I do?
Did the oil get down into your fill nipple or did you just tough the outside of the fill nipple housing? If you dropped oil down inside, I would immediately recommend stop using that system and get a new one. If you just touched the outside, you're fine.

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On a less serious note, what is the best output pressure for a DM12?
550psi is our recommendation. However, some players are able to get dm's and nt's to run off of low pressure just fine. We recommend 550psi because no matter what upgrades or board settings you use, the marker will operate correctly at that pressure.
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Hi Rob @ Ninja

I had a bit of a problem with my Ninja Pro reg. I bought it new last December and took it out to a walk on. It was about -3 out and I would find the reg would get 'wet' and very cold under high rates of fire - almost like it freezes up. When this happens, air leaks out of the two grub screws securing the bonnet.

I thought nothing of it but noticed a lot that the reg gets very icey-cold when shooting.

A few weeks back, I took my new Demon to my site to put 3500 balls through her to help break her in and after 700-800 shots, the reg was icey and leaking air through the grub screws. Weird.

So I purged the air from the tank and took the bonnet off and noticed there was pretty much no lube on the piston/orings. Everything was clean - no dirt. Orings were fine.

I took the bottle back to the local site and got the guy who looks after the compressors / bottle maintenance to have a look. He told me off for putting Dow33 on it (people on forms told me to use it - thankfully I never aired it up!) and wiped it off and he put on some proper stuff which is 45 a tube.

I filled my bottle to 3000psi and shot off 8 pods. Reg wasn't cold, was 'normal' temp (but the 1st 5 shots chopped balls - think the reg blew excess lube through the marker - as there was some leaking out of the grip/body joint). No leaks out of the grub screws.

The airsmith couldnt understand why the reg wasnt freezing and the leak had stopped.

Is this normal?
Ok, any silicone based lube will work just fine on our regulators, including Dow 33 or 55. You just need to make sure you do not use an oil-based lubricant, ever.

Lube was leaking out of the grip/body joint? Sounds like he put WAY TOO MUCH lube on the orings if its spitting lube out.

Yes, this is perfectly normal. He just used too much lube it sounds like. Once every 4-6 months, I recommend players degas the air system, remove the bonnet, clean and relube (even if it looks clean inside) the orings after inspecting them (which very rarely every go bad in our regulators), put it back together again and go shoot. If there is not enough lube on the orings, as you shoot fast and for long periods of time, the regs will ice up and can vent. If enough lube is on the orings, this problem should not happen, at least not until you are very close to being at zero pressure in your tank.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:30 AM #1056
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Is hater sauce ok to lube your regulater internals
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Hater Sauce has petroleum additives and will eat away orings. So I would sway away from hater sauce.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:58 PM #1058
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Hater Sauce has petroleum additives and will eat away orings. So I would sway away from hater sauce.
Interesting. I wasn't aware of that.

As long as you're using a silicone based lubricant, you will be fine. NEVER use anything oil-based inside of your HPA regulator.
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Same here, I've been using hater sauce in my ego and etha exclusively :/
Guess its time to switch to monkey poo ?
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I purchased my Ninja Pro Reg tank about a month ago. I got it filled and noticed it was only filled up to about 3500psi? I was like no big the guy didn't fill it up all the way? About 2 and half weeks later I noticed it was at 2500 psi? Just now I took it out and it was less then 1000psi. Is it normal on the first fill up to have the tank lose some pressure?
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:48 PM #1061
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I purchased my Ninja Pro Reg tank about a month ago. I got it filled and noticed it was only filled up to about 3500psi? I was like no big the guy didn't fill it up all the way? About 2 and half weeks later I noticed it was at 2500 psi? Just now I took it out and it was less then 1000psi. Is it normal on the first fill up to have the tank lose some pressure?
Yep, 100% normal. Sounds like a slow seal. After the first few fills, you should not lose tank pressure when storing your tank with air inside of it. If it does continue to leak, what you can do is fill your air system up with air and submerge the entire regulator underwater. The bubbles coming out of the regulator will tell you exactly where the leak is coming from. Once you figure that out, you can call us up and we can tell you what can be done to fix it. However, slow seals on the first few fills are not uncommon.
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A quick tech question. I have a few 3000 PSI regulators on bottles that are going out of hydro. Can I change the high pressure burst disk to the 7.5k and use these regulators on 4500 PSI bottles? Looking over the parts diagram it looks like the internals are all the same.

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Well let me give it a try i bought my tank nothing but a month and a half ago and i always used a tank cover for my tank. Today when i went to remove the cover in order to remove the regulator for flying purposes i notice like a huge scar/crack ish... i dunno if this normal or what but some dude at my local paintball shop told me that the coating on the tank like crack a little and its a no big deal but still wanted to me get advice from a Ninja Rep.From what i could say I've never dropped the tank only when going to snakes or doritos etc but other then that never dropped it , And my tank is to new to be looking like this.

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A quick tech question. I have a few 3000 PSI regulators on bottles that are going out of hydro. Can I change the high pressure burst disk to the 7.5k and use these regulators on 4500 PSI bottles? Looking over the parts diagram it looks like the internals are all the same.

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Hypothetically speaking, yes you can. However, we would never recommend doing this. Reason is, if you were to give this bottle to someone to use or fill and they didnt know you put a 4500psi burst disk on a 3000psi reg and the person filling the system sees 7.5k Burst Disk, they may assume its a 4500psi reg and thus filling a 3000psi system with 4500psi of air.

Again, we would never recommend doing this on any air system.
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Well let me give it a try i bought my tank nothing but a month and a half ago and i always used a tank cover for my tank. Today when i went to remove the cover in order to remove the regulator for flying purposes i notice like a huge scar/crack ish... i dunno if this normal or what but some dude at my local paintball shop told me that the coating on the tank like crack a little and its a no big deal but still wanted to me get advice from a Ninja Rep.From what i could say I've never dropped the tank only when going to snakes or doritos etc but other then that never dropped it , And my tank is to new to be looking like this.

PS: ill have more pics by tomorrow.
Hi Christen. Could you please send me clear and multiple pictures, along with your full name, address, and phone number? Email this to rob@ninjapaintball.com and i'll respond back and let you know what we can do to take care of you on this issue.
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Hypothetically speaking, yes you can. However, we would never recommend doing this. Reason is, if you were to give this bottle to someone to use or fill and they didnt know you put a 4500psi burst disk on a 3000psi reg and the person filling the system sees 7.5k Burst Disk, they may assume its a 4500psi reg and thus filling a 3000psi system with 4500psi of air.

Again, we would never recommend doing this on any air system.
Thanks for the information.


I do have one more question aside form the burst disk what parts are different between the 4500 and 3000 PSI regulators. It looks like i just got a few set of spare parts that I may be able to use if needed.

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How come I read this thread, just to hear Rob@Ninja PB "spread the gospel"? Is it just me? And Ninja O-ring lube is a synthetic and safe lubricant solution, yes?
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Thanks for the information.


I do have one more question aside form the burst disk what parts are different between the 4500 and 3000 PSI regulators. It looks like i just got a few set of spare parts that I may be able to use if needed.

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Nothing, everything is interchangeable. Again, we would not recommend converting a 3000psi reg to a 4500psi reg or vice versa, nor would we ever warranty a Ninja regulator that has been altered this way.
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How come I read this thread, just to hear Rob@Ninja PB "spread the gospel"? Is it just me? And Ninja O-ring lube is a synthetic and safe lubricant solution, yes?
haha sup A-Train!! Great seeing you guys at NPPL Chicago in May! Yes, sir..Ninja lube is synthetic and definitely a safe lubricant option if you need a silicone based lubricant.
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haha sup A-Train!! Great seeing you guys at NPPL Chicago in May! Yes, sir..Ninja lube is synthetic and definitely a safe lubricant option if you need a silicone based lubricant.
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