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Old 03-19-2012, 11:06 PM #547
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im sure its safe to say that this pretty much is a zr1 with some different milling, biggest piece of crAP EVER

no not even close to a Zr1, have you actually held one of these? Quality is FAR from a piece of crap.

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I love how it rips off of so many ****ing markers it's not even funny.

On top of all that, the ****tiest trigger design I've ever seen.
Trigger is just as good as any other on the market, do people seriously complain about triggers still when you have to pull 5bps...(assuming you play PSP or on some sort of 'ramping' mode)

Honestly the only problem i saw with this gun was the ASA it seemed pretty cheesy but it was still a prototype and im sure some changes will be made.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:17 PM #548
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meeh I don't find it all that good looking. the trigger guard is massive!
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:23 PM #549
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I gotta say, I think this looks pretty sweet.
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Spurlock, I don't mean to go off topic in this thread but since you've come up. I've heard a lot of bad news circling around that last name, and while I cannot validate any of it, I cannot disprove any of it either. It makes me wonder why such bad news exists, and as shown above, I've seen you "claim" to have proof to clear your name but you never ever come forth with any. Just saying it doesn't help things.

I'm just pointing out things I see, and as others have said it would probably help your reputation if you did come forth with your claimed evidence. Then maybe people like warlock won't say those things.
Your speculation on his name is not unfounded, even a mod has caught him up to no good here on the nation. Although warlock is a cool name, that's just not me, lol

However, I have learned in my paintball history when certain names are associated with certain products, there are bound to be defects that don't appear until you need the product the most. Spurlock is at the top of that list.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:09 AM #551
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meeh I don't find it all that good looking. the trigger guard is massive!
Yeah and very comfortable, Hold this gun last saturday in Holshots paintball, is have a large feeling like the luxe, it was lighter and very comfortable to hold, i want to see a shooting video of it!!!
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There is just no way in todays paintball age for a marker to be "truly unique". With how advanced markers are, each new marker will have some characteristics of something in the past. All markers do. That's all thats being stated. Shoot it then bash it which I'm sure you have....... So please excuse me.
Well I would argue your first point of no new marker ever being truly unique as through paintball history unique markers do arise when we least expect it.

Secondly it is an astute observation that all paintball guns are similar in some way.

As far as this marker and your definition of some characteristics I guess it means all most identical to other markers with the manufacturer being the differentiation factor

Its not a bash, simply the truth of the matter so you can take the blue pill and continue to believe what you like.

If you like this style chances are you like luxes and the like which I never said I didn't and might be why their popular

All I said is more of the same.
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Marker looks good. Almost reminds me of that new valken branded proton coming out
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Are there enough shockers now? The Luxe was fine since it was basicaly Smart Parts but Vanguard and now this? Come on people make a new platform.
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Luxe and demon operate completely different one is a blow forward the other is a balanced spool, correct me if i am wrong but i remember shootnpoo talking about that when the demon was first released
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:48 PM #556
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Are there enough shockers now? The Luxe was fine since it was basicaly Smart Parts but Vanguard and now this? Come on people make a new platform.
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It still a shocker based design. Just like the pmr is a matrix based design as is the ion, vibe, etc. Just because something isnt exactly the same that doesn't mean it's not based off the same platform. Also when there is a picture of the bolt system on the from page it's sorta obvious that it's a shocker based design. Not saying it sucks but damn throw something new out there. I'd think you'd feel more accomplished creating your own bolt engine from scratch compared to basing it off an existing design. I know I sure as hell would.
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how is the ion a matrix based design?
the ion has some vague similarities to a matrix bolt but it is in no way a matrix based design llollolllolololololololololo
They are very similar. Take a Fuse bolt, and make the diameter of the front dump chamber seal larger than the end of the tail, thus creating a forward bias on the bolt. You have now made an Ion bolt with that one little change. If anything, they're more similar than the shocker is to the Vapor/Demon/whatever else people like to complain about.

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Luxe and demon operate completely different one is a blow forward the other is a balanced spool, correct me if i am wrong but i remember shootnpoo talking about that when the demon was first released
I'm pretty sure the Demon has a balanced bolt, and is not blow-forward.
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They are very similar. Take a Fuse bolt, and make the diameter of the front dump chamber seal larger than the end of the tail, thus creating a forward bias on the bolt. You have now made an Ion bolt with that one little change. If anything, they're more similar than the shocker is to the Vapor/Demon/whatever else people like to complain about.


I'm pretty sure the Demon has a balanced bolt, and is not blow-forward.
no, its a blow forward, like said before. The bolt it completely different that the luxe. The major thing is the bolt sail oring. On the luxe, the bolt sail is on the bolt, where as on the demon, the bolt sail is inside the inner can behind the 3rd inner can oring, it doesn't move. So yes, it is a blow forward and it operates nothing like a luxe does.
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no, its a blow forward, like said before. The bolt it completely different that the luxe. The major thing is the bolt sail oring. On the luxe, the bolt sail is on the bolt, where as on the demon, the bolt sail is inside the inner can behind the 3rd inner can oring, it doesn't move. So yes, it is a blow forward and it operates nothing like a luxe does.
It operates very similar to a Luxe/Shocker. It just uses a pressure bias to make it a blow forward and moved the sail o-ring. Other than those two changes and some dimension changes it's a shocker platform. To call it completely different is dishonest. Personally I think it's good that guns are being based off the shocker (as long as they improve on the design). SP had a patent on a blow forward shocker engine before they went belly up btw.
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Are there enough shockers now? The Luxe was fine since it was basicaly Smart Parts but Vanguard and now this? Come on people make a new platform.
If it ain't broke....

But yea, something new would be cool. Shockers are pretty nice though, they don't get credit. Dynasty used to destroy people with them, remember.
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If it ain't broke....

But yea, something new would be cool. Shockers are pretty nice though, they don't get credit. Dynasty used to destroy people with them, remember.
I don't think the shocker itself had anything to do with that. Dynasty was unstoppable back then... They destroyed people with their IR3's, too.

So long as the thing cycled at competitive bps rates they were going to win with it.
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I don't think the shocker itself had anything to do with that. Dynasty was unstoppable back then... They destroyed people with their IR3's, too.

So long as the thing cycled at competitive bps rates they were going to win with it.
and now we have ramping... *sigh* but I wont argue about past performance. When I actually gave a crap about pros, it was definatly dynasty (back in WDP days) and kinda liked em in SP days, but with all the teams SP had back then I was more of a AA and strange fan. Look at how much dynasty and strange played when it was the angel vs impulse
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have you seen the internals? don't judge quite yet, just because it has a feature of another marker doesn't make it a rip off.
couldn't agree more.

New technology can't be developed for every release... Might as well say your posters are a ripoff because a designer created them with inspirations in mind...

sure, the fore grip and trigger frame resemble a luxe... but there are many things about this marker that we are all yet to know or even conceive as a possibility.
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