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Old 02-16-2012, 01:19 PM #358
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We aren't using a tester program sorry, but the gun will be at most major events and will be shipping to retailers in the next two weeks so you will be able to check them out.
ok... i suppose that will suffice
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you guys have never seen a shocker?
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Keep this in mind the next time you are about to repeat a rumour or spread gossip. In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC), Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom. One day an acquaintance ran up to him excitedly and said; "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about Diogenes?" "Wait a moment," Socrates replied, "Before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test." 'Triple filter?" asked the acquaintance. "That's right," Socrates continued, "Before you talk to me about Diogenes let's take a moment to filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?" "No," the man said, "Actually I just heard about it." "All right," said Socrates, "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about Diogenes something good?" "No, on the contrary..." "So," Socrates continued, "You want to tell me something about Diogenes that may be bad, even though you're not certain it's true?" The man shrugged, a little embarrassed. Socrates continued, "You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter, the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about Diogenes going to be useful to me?" "No, not really." "Well," concluded Socrates, "If what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me or anyone at all?" The man was bewildered and ashamed. This is an example of why Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem.

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Old 02-17-2012, 06:11 PM #361
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you guys have never seen a shocker?
I have, I have also seen a Luxe.

I think they were both kinda successes, don't you think? Not that strange seeing how they work in similar ways and look decently similar if you squint a little.

Now that being said, I would purchase a ZR1 instead of a Vapor after watching the ZR1 machining debacle unfold at the hands of Morgan Spurlock. My money would be better spent with you guys rather than with Mr. Spurlock here.

I would love a ZR1 in purple and black if you want to send one my way ;p
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I have, I have also seen a Luxe.

I think they were both kinda successes, don't you think? Not that strange seeing how they work in similar ways and look decently similar if you squint a little.

Now that being said, I would purchase a ZR1 instead of a Vapor after watching the ZR1 machining debacle unfold at the hands of Morgan Spurlock. My money would be better spent with you guys rather than with Mr. Spurlock here.

I would love a ZR1 in purple and black if you want to send one my way ;p
Its Mike Spurlock.

and that is the million dollar question spurlock was making the zr1 now he is releasing his own gun. BUM BUM BUM. i feel like that is a conflict of interest that may cause another lawsuit. but i would like to see how it shot.
Maybe spurlock pulled a zuckerberg where is just keeps putting off and putting off the zr1 while he secretly builds his own gun that will top the zr1.
random amusing thought. but would like to see this gun in action. i know that the reg on this gun and the reg on the zr1 are spot on similiar
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Its Mike Spurlock.
Meh, same thing
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These are the counterfeit ZR1's?
Why do people think they can get a way with this sort of thing. I understand chinese manufactures doing it but Spurlock must have more sense than chinese manufacturers right?
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Meh, same thing
no, morgan spurlock is an award winning documentary maker.

Mike spurlock seems to be a shady character of the paintball world.
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no, morgan spurlock is an award winning documentary maker.

Mike spurlock seems to be a shady character of the paintball world.
Well, I bet they both enjoy big macs and French fries. So maybe they're cousins or something.

My point is this though; save your money, buy a Zodiac. The Vapor's emergence coincides too well with Zodiac's claims that Spurlock stole from them.
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long story short the copyright laws in the U.S aren't the same in Foreign countries that don't follow those laws. that is what there are 3rd world countries that make knock off sports jerseys because you can't really sue them when their country doesnt have a copy right law and they make the real jerseys for you to begin with.
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These are the counterfeit ZR1's?
Why do people think they can get a way with this sort of thing. I understand chinese manufactures doing it but Spurlock must have more sense than chinese manufacturers right?
No. This is a different marker he is putting out. The counterfeit zr1s look just like normal zr1s.

Internals are also significantly different. Only comparison is they are both spool valve, internal plumbing.
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this is still a zr1 ripoff Mr spurlock is just a douchebag that needs to get hit by a train
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this is still a zr1 ripoff Mr spurlock is just a douchebag that needs to get hit by a train
I don't think they are ripoffs, the bolt systems look absolutely nothing alike
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this is still a zr1 ripoff ... needs to get hit by a train
Wow, perhaps a bit harsh?
While it may be fun to all jump on the guy who seems to be down, and cyber bulling seems to be part of the internet world, is this gun closest to the Quest/ZR1?
Animations of guns can be seen here: www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/ which gun is this most like?
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Unless I'm mistaken Mr Spurlock made tens of thousands of guns (maybe hundreds of thousands) years before the Quest/ZR1. He makes what? 100 or 200 guns for one guy - and that means...what?
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Spurlock is the forth guy (that I know of) that has tried to make the Quest/ZR1, not made them anymore. (The original guy, then the guy that made the Gold Member bolts when the original bolts broke, then Jim Eaton here in Sacramento, then Spurlock) Should they stop making guns too?

Ask yourself this: Now that the eyes on hoppers (Viewloader patented) have expired (I think I'm right on that), do you want anyone else making a loader with eyes? Do you want it if the price is 30% or 50% less. Or... would they be a douchbag that should get hit by a train?
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The Mini/Axe is similar to the AutoMag, (IMO) but Axe seems OK. So now that the patent has expired on the AutoMag (I think I'm right on that too) if:
1. Someone modifies the AutoMag and brings it back, are they ripping off the Axe or the AutoMag?
2. If they are, which one of them should drive the train that runs them down?
3. Are they twice the douchbag for ripping them both off?

Truly, anyone that cares to answer... because the patent expired, is it lawful and therefore OK to use the AutoMag concept as the base for a different but similar gun? Do you want other loaders with eyes?
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I don't think they are ripoffs, the bolt systems look absolutely nothing alike
Yea, I don't get it.
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The Mini/Axe is similar to the AutoMag, (IMO) but Axe seems OK. So now that the patent has expired on the AutoMag (I think I'm right on that too) if:
1. Someone modifies the AutoMag and brings it back, are they ripping off the Axe or the AutoMag?
2. If they are, which one of them should drive the train that runs them down?
3. Are they twice the douchbag for ripping them both off?
Lost me on most of this post, but I still lol'd
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Wow, perhaps a bit harsh?
While it may be fun to all jump on the guy who seems to be down, and cyber bulling seems to be part of the internet world, is this gun closest to the Quest/ZR1?
Animations of guns can be seen here: www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/ which gun is this most like?
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Unless I'm mistaken Mr Spurlock made tens of thousands of guns (maybe hundreds of thousands) years before the Quest/ZR1. He makes what? 100 or 200 guns for one guy - and that means...what?
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Spurlock is the forth guy (that I know of) that has tried to make the Quest/ZR1, not made them anymore. (The original guy, then the guy that made the Gold Member bolts when the original bolts broke, then Jim Eaton here in Sacramento, then Spurlock) Should they stop making guns too?

Ask yourself this: Now that the eyes on hoppers (Viewloader patented) have expired (I think I'm right on that), do you want anyone else making a loader with eyes? Do you want it if the price is 30% or 50% less. Or... would they be a douchbag that should get hit by a train?
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The Mini/Axe is similar to the AutoMag, (IMO) but Axe seems OK. So now that the patent has expired on the AutoMag (I think I'm right on that too) if:
1. Someone modifies the AutoMag and brings it back, are they ripping off the Axe or the AutoMag?
2. If they are, which one of them should drive the train that runs them down?
3. Are they twice the douchbag for ripping them both off?

Truly, anyone that cares to answer... because the patent expired, is it lawful and therefore OK to use the AutoMag concept as the base for a different but similar gun? Do you want other loaders with eyes?
Someone already did make a new Automag. See X7 Phenom.
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Wow, perhaps a bit harsh?
While it may be fun to all jump on the guy who seems to be down, and cyber bulling seems to be part of the internet world, is this gun closest to the Quest/ZR1?
Animations of guns can be seen here: www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/ which gun is this most like?
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Unless I'm mistaken Mr Spurlock made tens of thousands of guns (maybe hundreds of thousands) years before the Quest/ZR1. He makes what? 100 or 200 guns for one guy - and that means...what?
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Spurlock is the forth guy (that I know of) that has tried to make the Quest/ZR1, not made them anymore. (The original guy, then the guy that made the Gold Member bolts when the original bolts broke, then Jim Eaton here in Sacramento, then Spurlock) Should they stop making guns too?

Ask yourself this: Now that the eyes on hoppers (Viewloader patented) have expired (I think I'm right on that), do you want anyone else making a loader with eyes? Do you want it if the price is 30% or 50% less. Or... would they be a douchbag that should get hit by a train?
And
The Mini/Axe is similar to the AutoMag, (IMO) but Axe seems OK. So now that the patent has expired on the AutoMag (I think I'm right on that too) if:
1. Someone modifies the AutoMag and brings it back, are they ripping off the Axe or the AutoMag?
2. If they are, which one of them should drive the train that runs them down?
3. Are they twice the douchbag for ripping them both off?

Truly, anyone that cares to answer... because the patent expired, is it lawful and therefore OK to use the AutoMag concept as the base for a different but similar gun? Do you want other loaders with eyes?
I 100% agree with above statement jack. most spoolies are taken from the design of the Automag. and he did to a lot of good i mean the torque and the pulse were both very clever ideas. society thrives by bettering something that someone has invented which is why our computers are so fast our phones so small and cars. well cars are still the same. which is strange you think we would have figured that out by now.

But if you look at the gun above and the zr1 you will see that their regs are almost spot on the exact same. they both have the same style and design.
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I don't think they are ripoffs, the bolt systems look absolutely nothing alike
Hmm but the bolt system does seem to be a near exact replica of another gun if I am correct

Or did the Luxe take the Vapors design
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look at the gun above and the zr1 you will see that their regs are almost spot on the exact same. they both have the same style and design.
Yes on style - but no on design.
The reg on Vapor is a reg - has internals. Metal shape is the same but it is metal. The ZR1 is a Hollow tube with a rubber sleeve over it.
ZR1's LPR was in the center bolt section - in the back Cap. The HPR was in the bottle adapter - which is a Spurlock Patent.
I'm guessing the Vapor is more like Lux.
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