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Old 06-15-2012, 01:00 PM #1639
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So you aren't here to contribute to discussion, merely tell us that it isn't easy for a society to follow ideal values all the time.

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That really is the essence of it isnt it? When it comes down to it, we all hold ideals and we all wish to live in a society that upholds them. If we didn't you or I wouldn't be having this conversation.
Sure, thankfully we're in a society shifting toward the acceptance of gay marriage.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:02 PM #1640
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Without trying to seem like I disagree with you, may I ask you why you believe it's better for children to be raised by "true" parents? I'd argue that people have parental capabilities outside of whether or not the children they parent are their own.
That's a really odd question to be asking.
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Ironic post.



Sure, thankfully we're in a society shifting toward the acceptance of gay marriage.


shoulda lowered my expectations when I entered the thread.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:10 PM #1642
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shoulda lowered my expectations when I entered the thread.
I congratulate you on your continued irony by posting more useless drivel.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:11 PM #1643
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Lol idk you have to be pretty homosexual to post a thread like this on a paintball related website, IMO
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:12 PM #1644
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Is this that thing where you do the same thing as me but hope I don't notice and instead get mad, i.e. your attempt at trolling?

cuz telling me my posts are drivel is drivel. but you know that cutie pie
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:16 PM #1645
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You aren't buying a child. You are buying the custodial rights from the Child's parents. Remove the monopoly that the state has on adoption services and everything gets better.
That's a pretty bold assumption. Don't you think there are some pretty daunting and foreseeable problems with opening up a market for people to sell their parental rights? You'd essentially remove any incentive for not having children from an entire segment of society by creating a market for this biological process. Wouldn't we be right back to square one when (not if) the supply for parental right exceeds the demand? Strictly from an economic perspective, children aren't a fungible commodity, and it's not as though the market can react by simply lowering the price for parental rights.

As far as markets for organs are concerned, I see a whole slew of ethical problems due to the fact that it opens up yet another avenue for the wealthier members of society to hang their social status over the heads of the lower classes. Don't mistake this as me claiming that use of perks relative to social standing is a per se unethical; I'm just of the opinion that being stuck between a rock and a hard place shouldn't be veiled as a decision of pure free will.
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Lol idk you have to be pretty homosexual to post a thread like this on a paintball related website, IMO
This section has nothing to do with paintball you stupid prick
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Is this that thing where you do the same thing as me but hope I don't notice and instead get mad, i.e. your attempt at trolling?

cuz telling me my posts are drivel is drivel. but you know that cutie pie
It's not trolling, it's bringing the conversation to a level you can jump on. Ya know, gold stars for effort.

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That's a pretty bold assumption. Don't you think there are some pretty daunting and foreseeable problems with opening up a market for people to sell their parental rights? You'd essentially remove any incentive for not having children from an entire segment of society by creating a market for this biological process. Wouldn't we be right back to square one when (not if) the supply for parental right exceeds the demand? Strictly from an economic perspective, children aren't a fungible commodity, and it's not as though the market can react by simply lowering the price for parental rights.

As far as markets for organs are concerned, I see a whole slew of ethical problems due to the fact that it opens up yet another avenue for the wealthier members of society to hang their social status over the heads of the lower classes. Don't mistake this as me claiming that use of perks relative to social standing is a per se unethical; I'm just of the opinion that being stuck between a rock and a hard place shouldn't be veiled as a decision of pure free will.
It may be just what we need to reverse the wealth disparity in America. Allow people to sell their babies and watch the poor prosper.
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That's a pretty bold assumption. Don't you think there are some pretty daunting and foreseeable problems with opening up a market for people to sell their parental rights? You'd essentially remove any incentive for not having children from an entire segment of society by creating a market for this biological process. Wouldn't we be right back to square one when (not if) the supply for parental right exceeds the demand? Strictly from an economic perspective, children aren't a fungible commodity, and it's not as though the market can react by simply lowering the price for parental rights.

So supply and demand works still, but the pricing mechanism doesn't? Stopped caring right there.

Edit: That wasn't nice and I like you so I'll elaborate.

You're assuming that entire segment of society will be producing children that will be sought after. You're also assuming the introduction of selling custodial rights means the exit of traditional adoption services (or making it out that way). For me, I look at women who undergo abortions. Allowing women to sell custodial rights will cut down on the amount of abortions women have (this is assuming good policy from the governing institutions, of course). Cutting down on the # of abortions that are had every year is good. It should re-enforce good cultural values, cut down on political strife, and potentially end a lot of social issues people have in today's world.

Now, if the supply of children from the most average to below average of parents underwent a sudden increase (which would render the pricing mechanism less effective) there might be a problem for a short period of time. But just how plausible is that scenario? We're talking about a formal market where the custodial rights to unborn children and orphans are exchanged for cash. Don't you think women will seek out people with a demand for custodial rights before embarking upon pregnancy? There is lots of physical and mental strain, not to mention all the associated costs and the high amount of care prospective buyers will want to see.

so please, how is your scenario in any way likely?

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So the hundreds of people (slightly highball estimate) who die each day because they don't receive an organ transplant is more ethical than people having the ability but not the means to receive an organ? What's the difference, between more people living?

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So supply and demand works still, but the pricing mechanism doesn't? Stopped caring right there.
Pricing is a manifestation of supply and demand, but it isn't an exclusive indice. You're honestly of the opinion that price could fluctuate accordingly for a product as inelastic as children? There is no market alternative for children, and I find it a laughable proposition that people would suddenly purchase more children if the entry cost is somehow lessened.

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Don't you think women will seek out people with a demand for custodial rights before embarking upon pregnancy?
No I don't, but that may be where there heart of our disagreement lies. We far too many unplanned pregnancy as it currently stands with no market, so I don't see how adding planned pregnancies with the goal of selling parental rights will somehow level the adoption market out. Pure speculation on my part.

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So the hundreds of people (slightly highball estimate) who die each day because they don't receive an organ transplant is more ethical than people having the ability but not the means to receive an organ? What's the difference, between more people living?
I don't think sticking someone between a rock and hard place constitutes a voluntary action, and as such I see a pretty strong argument for a violations of the 13th Amendment.

My take on organs? Make organ donation an opt-out ordeal. Presume that everyone who dies wishes to have their organs donated, and rebut that presumption by an affirmative action on the part of the potential donor stating he does not wish to have his organs donated.
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So you aren't here to contribute to discussion, merely tell us that it isn't easy for a society to follow ideal values all the time.

cool story broheim
Which is excuse enough to abandon the pursuit altogether. Once you've reached this point its basically pointless to talk about anything except that which deconstructs.
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*sigh* why is it the idiot libtards have to be pro gay. Why can't the decent republicans be the progay and we can get rid of the libtards together.
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*sigh* why is it the idiot libtards have to be pro gay. Why can't the decent republicans be the progay and we can get rid of the libtards together.
Your broad use of categories is why.
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Your broad use of categories is why.
because for the most part, everything the "libs" stand for, I am aganst. I am tired of all the social programs, the whining about this and that, the "green" mesures, even the "we must all get along and be diverse"

Hell the extreme neo-cons wouldn't be the anti-gay up in arms they are, if the demo****s would stop poking the them!


Ever hear the term..don't poke the sleeping bear?
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because for the most part, everything the "libs" stand for, I am aganst. I am tired of all the social programs, the whining about this and that, the "green" mesures, even the "we must all get along and be diverse"

Hell the extreme neo-cons wouldn't be the anti-gay up in arms they are, if the demo****s would stop poking the them!


Ever hear the term..don't poke the sleeping bear?
See you paint with a huge brush and it just defeats your own arguments.
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See you paint with a huge brush and it just defeats your own arguments.
Son, if all you got is a hammer, everything is a nail.

You think on what I mean by that.
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Son, if all you got is a hammer, everything is a nail.

You think on what I mean by that.
Sounds like you're the problem if you're just picking out the hammer. There are far more effective tools for discussing politics, but you go for the 5lber every time for some reason.
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*sigh* why is it the idiot libtards have to be pro gay. Why can't the decent republicans be the progay and we can get rid of the libtards together.
Republican is a party, not a way of describing your personal views.


You are part of the exact kind of people that do not need to be voting.
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