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Old 11-10-2011, 11:52 AM #232
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@Tuff. Of course I do. But at the same time I don't base everything I believe on science that can't even cure the common cold. I've always thought that the theory of aliens seeding this planet for later harvest was a more believable story than the big bang theory.
You must have not looked in to the Big Bang theory... at all, then.

Fun fact:

We can actually, literally see in to the past as to what happened at these times. Down to nanoseconds after the Big Bang occurred. There's a reason as to why this theory is so accepted within the academic and scientific community.

The common cold is cured, biologically, all the time. The culprit as to why we keep getting sick? Evolution Generational biological changes occur at a much, much, much quicker rate for single-cell organisms. Look in to Richard Lenksi's long-term evolutionary experiment with E. coli to grasp just how quickly simple organisms change to adapt to their environment.

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@Tuff. Of course I do. But at the same time I don't base everything I believe on science that can't even cure the common cold. I've always thought that the theory of aliens seeding this planet for later harvest was a more believable story than the big bang theory.
Science could theoretically cure the common cold. The only problem is that it is impractical, especially for how insignificant the illness is. There would have to be well over 100 different vaccinations for the different viruses that cause it. We did, however, completely eradicate both smallpox and rinderpest.
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Hell, ask Umamy, there is a fraction of the beginning of the big bang where the theorists just kind of shrug and grunt.
True story.

But that doesn't warrant shrugging off what we have a pretty good idea about. It's a funny thing in science, when people don't have a good explanation that fits reality they admit it.
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Wiser every decade? The majority of people today are lost without technology or government to hold their hand. That isn't wisdom.
Comparing survival skills between decades is like comparing a banana with a Honda. We're not fighting bears in the wild in order to wake up the next morning. You're confusing wisdom with what sounds like some form of "common sense" survival behavior.

Way back when I'm sure it was pretty handy to have like a pocket knife or something always within reach. Fast forward to today and a smart phone becomes the new "swiss army knife". A smart phone is a pretty feature rich device compared to a knife. However, it's not the technology itself that I even suggest as being more "intelligent"--let's omit that for a second. Instead focus on the fact that they're a relative utility to each person. Both necessary to accommodate a set of independent survival skills--each applicable to his/her time. The difference is what they're surviving from.

Sure, people got along fine without GPS enabled boats I'm sure. This seems like quite a handy method of getting around:

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Christianity is no more a religion than science is, if you think about it. One has a more concrete (repeatable) evidence of truth behind it, however both sides still have yet to account/solve for (what science calls) infinity.

It's like a race, really. Both are gaining mileage, but the winner will ultimately be able to solve for ∞. As soon as that happens (if it ever happens) you'll see a crazy shift happen.

Let's say religion solves for ∞ first. (God appears to everyone and does Q&A at the metrodome and then has his own talk show or something--whatever you get the idea) He indisputably proves his existence.. Science would fold. Science books would be burned and everything would go back to "Because God said so" or "Because God created that". And yes--I would join religion in a heartbeat--I mean after all--he indisputably proved his own existence.

Buutttt until that time occurs for either side, it's going to be a continuous race--each with their own bible of "universal truth".
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You must have not looked in to the Big Bang theory... at all, then.

Fun fact:

We can actually, literally see in to the past as to what happened at these times. Down to nanoseconds after the Big Bang occurred. There's a reason as to why this theory is so accepted within the academic and scientific community.

The common cold is cured, biologically, all the time. The culprit as to why we keep getting sick? Evolution Generational biological changes occur at a much, much, much quicker rate for single-cell organisms. Look in to Richard Lenksi's long-term evolutionary experiment with E. coli to grasp just how quickly simple organisms change to adapt to their environment.

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Orly? So what caused the big bang and what existed before it? Are you seriously trying to get me to believe that nothing existed and then boom? Here is all this matter and stuff moving away from the center... If ever there was a recipe for creation, that sounds like one.

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So, you're completely ignorant of the science, therefore, GOD.
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How did the discussion go from gays to Darwin to the Big Bang in less than 15 posts?
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Orly? So what caused the big bang and what existed before it? Are you seriously trying to get me to believe that nothing existed and then boom? Here is all this matter and stuff moving away from the center... If ever there was a recipe for creation, that sounds like one.

Umm... The Big Bang Theory isn't about the origin of the universe. Common misconception #1. Instead, it is a theory used to define the evolution of the expansion of the universe.

The matter isn't just "moving away from the center." Common misconception #2. The universe is expanding; that is, it is growing larger in the three dimensions (think of a balloon expanding) while dark energy (shown to exist by the Casimir effect) is believed to be a driving force for the increased speed of separation.

Your knowledge of the subject is showing...
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Umm... The Big Bang Theory doesn't say anything about the origin of the universe. Common misconception #1. Instead, it is a theory used to define the evolution of the expansion of the universe.

The matter isn't just "moving away from the center." Common misconception #2. The universe is expanding; that is, it is growing larger in the three dimensions (think of a balloon expanding) while dark energy (shown to exist by the Casimir effect) is believed to be a driving force for the increased speed of separation.

Your knowledge of the subject is showing...
You failed to answer the questions. Are you trying to change it up now and say that the "bang" happend everywhere? A higgs boson won't save your soul. Christ can.
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You failed to answer the questions. Are you trying to change it up now and say that the "bang" happend everywhere? A higgs boson won't save your soul. Christ can.
I didn't answer them because they are not relevant as far as believing in the BBT. I tried to point that out in your misconceptions about the theory. So rather than continuing with the ignorance by asking the same non-relevant questions, how about you read up on the theory before immersing yourself further in mindless conjecture.

And yes, I'd be glad to discuss the details of the theory (as untrained as I am) with you in an appropriate thread within the appropriate sub-forum. I'm not going to circle-jerk around the "then what came before it" debate here - nor will I entertain that notion elsewhere, either, as I simply stop discussion when it boils down to arguments from ignorance.
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You must have not looked in to the Big Bang theory... at all, then.

Fun fact:

We can actually, literally see in to the past as to what happened at these times. Down to nanoseconds after the Big Bang occurred. There's a reason as to why this theory is so accepted within the academic and scientific community.

The common cold is cured, biologically, all the time. The culprit as to why we keep getting sick? Evolution Generational biological changes occur at a much, much, much quicker rate for single-cell organisms. Look in to Richard Lenksi's long-term evolutionary experiment with E. coli to grasp just how quickly simple organisms change to adapt to their environment.

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Technically, if memory serves, we can "only" see about 10 billion years back. So, pretty far, but not within nanoseconds of the Big Bang, yet.

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Christianity is no more a religion than science is, if you think about it. One has a more concrete (repeatable) evidence of truth behind it, however both sides still have yet to account/solve for (what science calls) infinity.

It's like a race, really. Both are gaining mileage, but the winner will ultimately be able to solve for ∞. As soon as that happens (if it ever happens) you'll see a crazy shift happen.
Actually, science and religion are independent of one another. We use science to understand the natural world and religion to understand the supernatural and metaphysical. There is no need for the two to be at odds with one another.
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How did the discussion go from gays to Darwin to the Big Bang in less than 15 posts?
"Conflation theory".

But seriously, the difference between someone with a scientific mindset and a religious one is nothing more than the acceptance that we don't have all the answers and may never have them and being okay with that and working to increase that knowledge, whereas the religious person is more comfortable accepting unsupported answets from their 'gut', religious institutions, or some booming voice in the sky and being satisfied.
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I didn't answer them because they are not relevant as far as believing in the BBT. I tried to point that out in your misconceptions about the theory. So rather than continuing with the ignorance by asking the same non-relevant questions, how about you read up on the theory before immersing yourself further in mindless conjecture.

And yes, I'd be glad to discuss the details of the theory (as untrained as I am) with you in an appropriate thread within the appropriate sub-forum. I'm not going to circle-jerk around the "then what came before it" debate here - nor will I entertain that notion elsewhere, either, as I simply stop discussion when it boils down to arguments from ignorance.
Why would anyone discuss anything with you when you call their opinions ignorant and mindless? Is that really the best you can do? Childish insults aside, as I was telling Tuff, I do not believe Darwin is "the new God" and I don't believe in the big bang theory as being the origin of the universe with everything known coming from a gravitational singularity. When you can use science to explain the origin of the universe, come back and tell me about it.

It's easy to see what's missing from this....
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Technically, if memory serves, we can "only" see about 10 billion years back. So, pretty far, but not within nanoseconds of the Big Bang, yet.
I suppose I should specify that within nanoseconds is not something seen with the naked eye, nor a normal telescope. We can see, through multiple experiments, things such as the abundance of light particles, time dilation, the age of stars, and CMBR measurements that certain events of the big bang can be tracked, down to mere fractions of a second.

But, we can literally see the universe expanding, homogeneously every day.

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Why would anyone discuss anything with you when you call their opinions ignorant and mindless? Is that really the best you can do? Childish insults aside, as I was telling Tuff, I do not believe Darwin is "the new God" and I don't believe in the big bang theory as being the origin of the universe with everything known coming from a gravitational singularity. When you can use science to explain the origin of the universe, come back and tell me about it.

It's easy to see what's missing from this....
So, you're asking for an answer to something from a theory in which its purpose is not to answer that question? I'm having trouble understanding.

Actual Big Bang Theory doesn't have to do with the origin of the universe. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You're asking for what was the origin of the universe and expecting something that doesn't explain the origin of the universe to answer your question...?

Why does it have to have an origin?
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Why would anyone discuss anything with you when you call their opinions ignorant and mindless? Is that really the best you can do? Childish insults aside, as I was telling Tuff, I do not believe Darwin is "the new God" and I don't believe in the big bang theory as being the origin of the universe with everything known coming from a gravitational singularity. When you can use science to explain the origin of the universe, come back and tell me about it.

It's easy to see what's missing from this....
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It's easy to see what's missing from this....
You're right, there's something we can't explain about that.

Scientific answer: We don't know what happened at the singularity. But we're okay with that for now and working hard to find out.

Religious answer: Even though I have no quantifiable evidence, my gut tells me God did it.

Are you understanding the difference yet?
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