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Old 11-01-2011, 09:35 AM #22
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D3 Race to 4 format. 8 team maximum division. Two brackets of 4. You play 2 matches. Best two teams from each bracket move to finals. Single elimination finals.

Get rid of 3 man, run 5 man on Saturday.

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Old 11-01-2011, 09:42 AM #23
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D3 Race to 4 format. 8 team maximum division. Two brackets of 4. You play 2 matches. Best two teams from each bracket move to finals. Single elimination finals.

Get rid of 3 man, run 5 man on Saturday.

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Wouldn't a 4 team bracket allow for 3 prelim matches for each team? I assume 2 would work, but I would personally want to play more than 2 matches guaranteed if I'm traveling to the event.
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D3 Race to 4 format. 8 team maximum division. Two brackets of 4. You play 2 matches. Best two teams from each bracket move to finals. Single elimination finals.

Get rid of 3 man, run 5 man on Saturday.

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And your also limiting the amount of teams to take in.
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:49 AM #25
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Wouldn't a 4 team bracket allow for 3 prelim matches for each team? I assume 2 would work, but I would personally want to play more than 2 matches guaranteed if I'm traveling to the event.
Touche. And the NEPL did a 7 team bracket in one day, with semi's and finals to boot.

Each team played 4 prelim matches. Prelims were over by 2PM
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Old 11-01-2011, 09:59 AM #26
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Touche. And the NEPL did a 7 team bracket in one day, with semi's and finals to boot.

Each team played 4 prelim matches. Prelims were over by 2PM
Now that's efficiency.
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:01 AM #27
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And your also limiting the amount of teams to take in.
The MAPL D3 division ran the first 2 events with 12 teams, the third event was cancelled, the 4th event ran with 6 teams, and the 5th event ran with 8 teams.

That is an average of 7.6 teams per event.

Each team is charged $250 for entry, making your average entry per event $1900.00

The NEXL ran 5 events of their D3 Race to 4 division with 7, 9, 8, 7, 9 teams, respectively. That is an average of 8 teams per event.

Each team is charged $495 for entry, making their average entry per event $3960.00

I don't think limiting the amount of teams per event for the sake of scheduling is going to hurt the league that much financially.
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:04 AM #28
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^ This is a very good point

Also we have to keep in mind that far less teams will play Race-to-4 then Race-to-2.

Race-to-2 is fairly easy to get people for, just need 5 guys to play

Race-to-4 you need anywhere from 7 - 10 people and some staff, teams simply won't be able to get the bodies.

Realistically Race-to-4 should see the same amount of teams as D3 Race-to-2 saw this year.
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The MAPL D3 division ran the first 2 events with 12 teams, the third event was cancelled, the 4th event ran with 6 teams, and the 5th event ran with 8 teams.

That is an average of 7.6 teams per event.

Each team is charged $250 for entry, making your average entry per event $1900.00

The NEXL ran 5 events of their D3 Race to 4 division with 7, 9, 8, 7, 9 teams, respectively. That is an average of 8 teams per event.

Each team is charged $495 for entry, making their average entry per event $3960.00

I don't think limiting the amount of teams per event for the sake of scheduling is going to hurt the league that much financially.
What about D4/D5 division where we were averaging over 20 teams though?
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Old 11-01-2011, 10:18 AM #30
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^ This is a very good point

Also we have to keep in mind that far less teams will play Race-to-4 then Race-to-2.

Race-to-2 is fairly easy to get people for, just need 5 guys to play

Race-to-4 you need anywhere from 7 - 10 people and some staff, teams simply won't be able to get the bodies.

Realistically Race-to-4 should see the same amount of teams as D3 Race-to-2 saw this year.
For Race to 4 you only need 8 players. Since it is a local league, getting staff should not be an issue.

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What about D4/D5 division where we were averaging over 20 teams though?
You keep the D4/D5 division your Rookie 5 man division.

Teams that want to play Race to 4 on the local level will simply have to play in a more competitive division.
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^^ i agree want to get better got to play better teams
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Race to 4 would have to be D3....no way we can run it D4
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yeah i just mean the whole event should be this way
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Would prelims saturday and playoffs early Sunday work? So only the teams that make it to the playoffs would have to stay two nights. Possibly have 5man right after the finals on Sunday if we can start early enough.
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We already spend enough money for the hotel for one night...making it two nights kills wallets....unless Rick let's us camp out!
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D3 Race to 4 format. 8 team maximum division. Two brackets of 4. You play 2 matches. Best two teams from each bracket move to finals. Single elimination finals.

Get rid of 3 man, run 5 man on Saturday.

Done.
So basically you want to get rid of one of the more popular divisions in the GPL to make room for a division limited to just 8 teams? From a business stand point that doesn't seem very logical.

I really don't see this sudden urge to play raceto 4. The success of the GPL come because is that it is cheap, very well run, has good prizes, and you can either show up for merely one day and play or play two divisions in the same event and potentially win even more. It's a very easy transition from local fields to the GPL tournament scene because you really don't need pit crews or hotels, you can just show up with your buddies and play like it's any other day. Trying to push for these national formats in the GPL I think is a mistake and will do nothing but hurt the GPL in the long run.
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I don't even think with my proposition you would need to delete 3 man all together. I was saying if there is a scheduling conflict, that would be the division to delete.

NEPL runs their Race-to X on one field on the same day as their 5 man divisions. Theoretically, it could work without getting rid of 3 man.
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I don't even think with my proposition you would need to delete 3 man all together. I was saying if there is a scheduling conflict, that would be the division to delete.

NEPL runs their Race-to X on one field on the same day as their 5 man divisions. Theoretically, it could work without getting rid of 3 man.
And from a business stand point, raceto 4 would be the division to delete.
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NEPL runs their Race-to X on one field on the same day as their 5 man divisions. Theoretically, it could work without getting rid of 3 man.
Just wanted to point out a few things here:

Event 1 NEXL Race to 4 event had 12 teams... they used 2 fields
http://www.paintball-players.org/sco.../schedule.html

Event 4 NEXL Race to 4 event had 7 teams... they used 1 field, they were only done with the prelims at 1:55. That was before any final rounds
http://www.paintball-players.org/sco.../schedule.html

You can not include their 5man or 7man. In order to figure out if a division is possible to run or not, you must look at each division as its own individual event. Dont forget also entry is $495 and it is field paint only too.
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And from a business stand point, raceto 4 would be the division to delete.
Elaborate.
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