[villakilla]

Originally Posted by ErrorCode6263

definite lie there. A mini shoots horrible almost as bad as an ion stock. The ETEK3 is almost like an Ego 7. The ETEK will crap on a mini all day but it is personal preference.

I take care of my gun so i guess it shoots better then a kids who treats his gun like crap

[Sand6452]

Originally Posted by NJKillaZ

Lol yes that is my preference. I think the creed is more reliable and consistant than an NT. a tuned to perfection creed will out do a tuned to perfection NT. Idk about the NT11 though

The only way I'd say a creed is better is if we were talking about which could be bent into a boomerang easier.

[KENNY_718]

i think the gun matters but not completely, the players skill is more important.

[AzianAssassin]

Player Experience > Marker
All day.

[andyschein]

Originally Posted by Sand6452

The only way I'd say a creed is better is if we were talking about which could be bent into a boomerang easier.

lol

[robot0ninja]

Originally Posted by ErrorCode6263

definite lie there. A mini shoots horrible almost as bad as an ion stock. The ETEK3 is almost like an Ego 7. The ETEK will crap on a mini all day but it is personal preference.

lol, you obviously havent used a mini. my old tm7 never had over a 10 fps difference, usually never over 5. you just have to know how to take care of your guns. one day youll realize PE is not god.

[PbBOSS6969]

We all know the Csl is the best, then it's the dm12, then the bob long victory ripper

[Bunker Hog]

Originally Posted by PbBOSS6969

We all know the Csl is the best, then it's the dm12, then the bob long victory ripper

Obviously

[robot0ninja]

once again, planet eclipse is not god

[TeamLeadersAccount]

Originally Posted by NJKillaZ

Just wanted to tell all you young guns who think the CSL is th freaking best gun ever. My friend was like Oh my friend has a dye NT. that's the best fun ever. -__- I actually think the PM8 is better than the geo2. Shot both and honestly think it's smoother. I think the vanguard creed is better than an NT. The NTs just more accurate. That's that.

Lol well accuracy is kinda important while shooting at people. Smoother isn't the only determination of price. 1. Nts are poop. 2 creeds r poop. 3 a pm8 has certain qualities that geo 2 doesn't. The same in vice versa.

[TeamLeadersAccount]

Originally Posted by killteamTRS

Highest Price gun is not always the best at all... I sold my Vice to get a pooty modded luxe and let me tell you... That Vice with an OLED board and a few ups was a hell of alot faster, quieter, more efficient and accurate than the luxe.

Fast and more efficient is kinda just the attributes of poppets.

If it wasn't as accurate either ur not taking as good of care of this gun as the other or it's in ur head. And it wasn't quieter than a luxe

[Angel_Owner_188200]

this thread is so funny.....


While the OP is right the highest price tag doesnt get you the best gun, it does get you stuff the cheaper guns dont have...

Mini - beg gun, i dont care how well you take care of your gun it will never shoot like or better than a geo2.

Geos use a different type bolt system... yes they are in the spooly category but they are different...
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when you pay for a csl, you get all the extras that you dont get with an ego11 or g6r

you get what you pay for, i have owned thousands of guns and found that when you buy a low end gun you get what you pay for, cheap electronics and other cheap stuff...

look at guns from the past... Angel LED's are still out there running and gunning, but you dont see ions or icd guns lasting..
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so Yes while your $400 axe shoots paintballs just like the NT11 or CSL, your gun doesnt come with all the extras that those guns do come with and judgeing by the past your axe wont last as long as an NT or CSL...

I own a SP NXT Shocker which by all standards was highend when they came out which is why you still see lots of SFT's being used, DM4's+,2k2 timmies+, Angel LCD's +, ego5's +.... if it was high end at some time it is probably still alive and well on the market and field...

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So as far as guns go, buy what you like.... its alllllllll personal preference...

if your gun shoots like crap, clean it, lube it, and make sure you have a good barrel to paint match... if that dont work get a better reg....

[robot0ninja]

minis and axes are poppets?

[PremiumHHH]

^^ Axe is a inline poppet.

[robot0ninja]

Originally Posted by PremiumHHH

^^ Axe is a inline poppet.

i know, i shouldve used "..." instead of "?" the guy said they were spool valves

[PbBOSS6969]

I hate when ppl just buy the most expensive gun they can. The dm12 is da best

[robot0ninja]

?

[Angel_Owner_188200]

Originally Posted by robot0ninja

minis and axes are poppets?

Originally Posted by PremiumHHH

^^ Axe is a inline poppet.

Originally Posted by robot0ninja

i know, i shouldve used "..." instead of "?" the guy said they were spool valves

you guys are so far off its crazy... the only "IN LINE POPPET" on the market is the Marq Series Gun

the axe/mini is a BlowForward design like the NT and Geo, but they use a spring like the Automag...

[NJKillaZ]

Originally Posted by Angel_Owner_188200

you guys are so far off its crazy... the only "IN LINE POPPET" on the market is the Marq Series Gun

the axe/mini is a BlowForward design like the NT and Geo, but they use a spring like the Automag...

word, i noticed the Axe bolt operates the same as my Geo+, but Just has the spring.

[robot0ninja]

http://www.paintballsolutions.com/pd...tal_Manual.pdf

check page 14, 20, and 21. its a poppet

[Angel_Owner_188200]

Originally Posted by robot0ninja

http://www.paintballsolutions.com/pd...tal_Manual.pdf

check page 14, 20, and 21. its a poppet

HAHAHA.... should we call Tom from AGD and tell him that the automag is now an Inline poppet because Empire has named a part in their assemble a poppet or should we put EVER gun in one category "Oring" cause they all have orings....lol

I see your a 2k11er, so ill ask... Do you know what seperates a Poppet from Spool valve?

Poppets - generally have a Hammer that hits an Exhaust Valve stem that opens the Valve..

Bob long Inline Poppet - Well these are claimed to be poppets because when the bolt goes forward it POPS open the Inline Valve...

Spool Valve - the noid transfers air behind the bolt, and once the bolt reaches a certain oring, it dumps all the air down the bolt..




do you see a hammer or even a Valve? nope which means its a BlowForward Spooly



if you look at the end of the rod attached to the bolt there is a "Hammer" that when it reaches the front hits the Poppet that opens up the valve and allows the HP air to flow...



now we all know what a poppet is, but here is the anima to show the Hammer, Valve and valve stem

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OK Thank You, School is now over, dont try to flame back... these are the facts that Ballers that have been here as long as i have go by... not what some NEW kid thinks, because a part in a manual is named something..