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Old 09-26-2011, 11:33 AM #1
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:40 AM #2
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Supplements, Periworkout nutrition, and other hacks.

Ah, the good stuff. First, supplements that it is painfully obvious everyone should take, and a few comments about them:

1. Whey protein or other powders - Casein is actually a better protein, but both whey and casein are very good at supplementing the diet and meeting your protein needs. The don't do anything whole food wouldn't, but are cheap and easy to have protein-predominant feedings with.

2. Creatine monohydrate. The feeding pattern of leangains actually makes creatine even more useful - rather than taking it every day you can "load" 10g of creatine during each "cheat window" postworkout. Cheap and proven.

3. Vitamin D - There's plenty of research that suggests most nonequatorial people in the modern world are deficient. 2-4000 IU/day for me.

4. Fish Oil / Omega 3 - 3-6 caps per day depending on injury status, bodyweight, and fat content in your diet. I would recommend keeping the dosing of fish oil close to the end of your fast to allow an inflammatory response to the training session to boost muscle growth (Eggs postworkout are excellent for this, actually, due to high content of arachidonic acid)

Other Recommendations

1. Calcium - Martin Berkhan recommends supplementation with calcium to maximize fat loss. Can't hurt, and is cheap. Plus, increased bone density is never a bad thing.

2. Zinc, Magnesium, Melatonin - The simple, cheap, and effect sleep stack. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/736096 Zinc also may raise testosterone levels. Avoid taking Zinc at the same time as calcium, as the same conjugate transports them, so they are competitive.

3. Multivitamins - I try to just eat a diet high in veggies to cover my bases, but 1-2 times per month I will pop a multivitamin, just to stave off any weird deficiencies....Don't stress these, IMO.

4. Vitamin K2 - I believe everyone should take some form of K2 for heart, bone, and liver health. Feel free to do your own research on K2 and atherosclerosis.

5. Caffeine - A true thermogenic, the original nootropic, and an actual ergogenic. And incredibly cheap. I use caffeine to help keep energy up during the fast, include it in the Stimpack preworkout, and keep some in my car to avoid driving drowsy. 100mg, or half a pill, is my usual dose.

Peri-workout protocol w/ Lurker Stimpack Recipe

Even on off days, consider breaking the fast with a protein only feeding for a growth hormone boost.


Lurker Stimpack
The best stimulant based combination for pre-workout purposes I have found. Watch out, sulbutiamine tastes nasty. Do not exceed 3 doses per week.

-60mg 1,3 dimethylamylamine
-100-300mg caffeine (to taste)
-400-600mg Sulbutiamine

Lurker Pump Pack

The most cost effective way I have found to increase pumps via hyperhydration.

-7g glycerol ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19941615 )
-pinch of Sea Salt

Glycerol acts in the body as a carbohydrate, so for those strictly cutting, it may be best to skip the pump pack. For "Volumization" purposes you can include the pump pack postworkout.


With this in mind, the Periworkout protocol is thus:

-30m Stimpack (if desired)
-10m Xtend or other BCAA mix (Add pump pack if desired)
+30m BCAA or protein only drink
+90m Post workout meal, with carbs (biggest meal of the day)

If you trained early in the fast, just take BCAAs every few hours until your feast window opens, and then treat the first meal as the post-workout meal I have listed at +90m.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:14 PM #4
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can someone post the sleep stack for me?!?!

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Old 09-26-2011, 01:23 PM #5
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1 diphen (i think its 25mg off hand, i usually skip this)
3mg mela (1.5 if i only have <5 hours to sleep)
b6 1 pill from NOW
zinc 1 opti-l-zinc from NOW
2 pills magnesium potassium aspartate from NOW
8mg galantamine to start
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:23 PM #6
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:25 PM #7
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:26 PM #8
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is that the one lurk has recommended??

i swear i remember one with less supps than that


Edit** oh i see how it is pump, *******
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:32 PM #9
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is that the one lurk has recommended??

i swear i remember one with less supps than that


Edit** oh i see how it is pump, *******
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Yes that is lurkers.

I use theanine, melotonin or doxy, and B6
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:39 PM #10
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I don't stack all of those, Melatonin, zinc, and magnesium are for recovery and depth of sleep, everything else is for dreaming, and diphen i use very sparingly as a sedative/soporific
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:42 PM #11
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so as long as i dont care about having crazy dreams

-melatonin
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the essentials? ^^^
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread, serious question though.

Is mixing whey protein with skim milk instead of water better? It seems like all the online sources have different opinions.
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread, serious question though.

Is mixing whey protein with skim milk instead of water better? It seems like all the online sources have different opinions.
"Better" in what sense?
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Sorry, should of been more clear.

The reason I asked this is because I've always believed that whey protein is the best protein supplement because of how fast it digests. I read that mixing it with milk will make it digest much slower, therefore eliminating the purpose. It seems like articles go back and forth on which is actually true.
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protein synthesis is the same in the end whether whey or casein. Drink what fits your macros. Bulking I use milk, cutting Ill use water
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The fat in milk is what makes it digest slower. Skim milk does not have fat in it, hence "skim".
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i use water post workout, and milk in my casein shake at night.
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