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Old 08-28-2011, 05:19 PM #1
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Empire Axe or Geo 2.1?

I could probably get the Axe easily, but should I wait longer & put up the extra like $900 for the Geo 2.1?
Because the Axe beats it in Efficiency, & Accuracy?
+ It has the smoothness of a Spool & the efficiency of a Poppet?
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Old 08-28-2011, 05:45 PM #2
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how exactly is the axe more accurate?

Get whatever one you feels better in your hands, or if you have the opportunity, play a game with each.
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Old 08-28-2011, 08:54 PM #3
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Get whatever one you feels better in your hands, or if you have the opportunity, play a game with each.
This.

There are pros and cons to both guns.

Axe: Pros- price, good CS, all modes needed, macroless (if prefered), easy to maintain, air efficient, easy to resell, can leave in the bag for a week after playing and will still shoot, techs at every event, most shops deal.

Cons- stock barrel may want to replace, uses a spring to adjust velocity, Uses LED lights (can make it hard to tune on the spot, preference), will need new gun case, limited colors.



Geo 2.1: Pros- efficient on air, has an LCD screen for easy tuning (preference), good stock barrel, many color selections, new style asa and reg, good CS, comes with case, smoother shot, easy to maintain, techs at every event, most shops deal, easy to sell or trade, still uses macroline for easy fixing.

Cons- price.



The Axe is a poppit and the Geo2.1 is a spool, which operate differently. While the Axe is the cheapest tournament level poppit on the market, there are other spool markers that shoot just as good or better than the geo2.1, yet can be found at a lower price. May want to look around a bit.
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Old 08-29-2011, 03:12 AM #4
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This.

There are pros and cons to both guns.

Axe: Pros- price, good CS, all modes needed, macroless (if prefered), easy to maintain, air efficient, easy to resell, can leave in the bag for a week after playing and will still shoot, techs at every event, most shops deal.

Cons- stock barrel may want to replace, uses a spring to adjust velocity, Uses LED lights (can make it hard to tune on the spot, preference), will need new gun case, limited colors.

Geo 2.1: Pros- efficient on air, has an LCD screen for easy tuning (preference), good stock barrel, many color selections, new style asa and reg, good CS, comes with case, smoother shot, easy to maintain, techs at every event, most shops deal, easy to sell or trade, still uses macroline for easy fixing.

Cons- price.

The Axe is a poppit and the Geo2.1 is a spool, which operate differently. While the Axe is the cheapest tournament level poppit on the market, there are other spool markers that shoot just as good or better than the geo2.1, yet can be found at a lower price. May want to look around a bit.
I agree with everything that u said except colors. If I'm not mistaken. On ANSgear.com they have tons of colors for the axe
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:56 PM #5
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This.

There are pros and cons to both guns.

Axe: Pros- price, good CS, all modes needed, macroless (if prefered), easy to maintain, air efficient, easy to resell, can leave in the bag for a week after playing and will still shoot, techs at every event, most shops deal.

Cons- stock barrel may want to replace, uses a spring to adjust velocity, Uses LED lights (can make it hard to tune on the spot, preference), will need new gun case, limited colors.



Geo 2.1: Pros- efficient on air, has an LCD screen for easy tuning (preference), good stock barrel, many color selections, new style asa and reg, good CS, comes with case, smoother shot, easy to maintain, techs at every event, most shops deal, easy to sell or trade, still uses macroline for easy fixing.

Cons- price.



The Axe is a poppit and the Geo2.1 is a spool, which operate differently. While the Axe is the cheapest tournament level poppit on the market, there are other spool markers that shoot just as good or better than the geo2.1, yet can be found at a lower price. May want to look around a bit.
I`m gonna agree with everything except that the Geo 2 isn`t so great on air.
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Old 08-29-2011, 03:42 PM #6
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Your sources are pretty misguided if you've come to the conclusion that one gun is more accurate than another.

I really don't understand your comparison though. It's like asking "should I get the Ferrari or the Ford?" The only advantage the axe has is being cheaper. Otherwise the Geo beats it at everything, literally everything.

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Old 08-29-2011, 04:03 PM #7
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The geo is not more efficent than an axe but yes if you have the money a geo is smoother, better reliability, simpler to maintain and program.

Although just to say. It is possible to add a barrel kit, virtue oled, nano feedneck, rf chip and still be what almost half the price of a 2.1 geo. Then that axe will perform Damm close to a geo 2
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Old 08-29-2011, 04:41 PM #8
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Efficiency doesn't matter, the geo isn't a shoebox, it'll give plenty of shots for a back or front player. Even with 'ups' an axe will never be as reliable as a geo.
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:06 PM #9
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I agree with everything that u said except colors. If I'm not mistaken. On ANSgear.com they have tons of colors for the axe
Ansgear does custom annos on their guns. If you were to buy from a shop, you would be able to get 3 stock colors from Empire, maybe a fourth if the Ice is available.
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:08 PM #10
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I`m gonna agree with everything except that the Geo 2 isn`t so great on air.
Depends on the Geo2 in my experience then. I used the Paintballgateway.com team's geo2 and I was able to get 9 and a hopper off if it. It was well broken in though.
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:41 PM #11
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Keep in mind an Axe with a barrel kit, upgraded bolt and it being tuned still gets the job done, heck a stock Axe gets the job done, but I would still say the Geo is got to be better but personally if you want high end spool then I would go with a DM or Cone VX
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:34 PM #12
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In all honesty I would go with the axe. The difference in accuracy is minimal to none. If you were to shoot both guns without knowing what they were you probably wouldn't notice the difference. XSV (shooting axes) took 2nd in their first event at NPPL and I would aquit that to skill but their guns must have been shooting accurate as well.

Many people get caught up in relating price to quality of product but if you want the best gun for the money focus on the design of the product. If it feels good and is reliable than the gun most likely works for you. Accuracy comes to bolt design and barrel paint match which can have little to do with buying a more expensive gun (patent laws).
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:26 AM #13
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Well said, Heyyo.
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:36 AM #14
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Got an Axe yesterday and playing today with it, it came with a Nightstick. I will let you know how it goes
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:52 PM #15
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I owned both and its all really about preferences. I love the axe though. I have a used for rec ball dust black axe with green virtue laser eyes, dust black dye ul barrel used once, empire nano feedneck, plus all original boxes and barrel. No original feedneck it was messed up when I swapped out for the nano feedneck. Everything was just bought I am original owner and took it all out plastic like 3 weeks ago and is literally brand new only used for 4 fast games of rec ball. Pm me if you are interested then I will take pics. looking for 400
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Old 09-04-2011, 07:24 PM #16
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I played today and had stock settings and wow, it shoots very nice and smooth! I recommend it! I also think after shooting the Axe, you dont really need anything more "high end" then that
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Old 09-05-2011, 08:19 PM #17
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First off any two guns without Apex/Flatline barrels, chronoed at the same FPS, using decent paint, and clean but not overlubed will shoot the same.
Axe (in line poppit)
can play tighter
more efficient

Geo 2/2.1 (spool)
smoother
quieter
batter packaging
more reliable (Axe has yet to prove itself)
longer feel (if you like that feel than this is a pro)

Both have great cs
Bottom line is the Axe is a great mid to high end but a Geo2/2.1 is a true highend. High ends are just built better. If you wanted to go down the highend road I would look other than a Geo2/2.1 because they are nothing special. Here is my list of high ends you should consider: (top to bottom, best to worst)
Clone Vx
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:12 PM #18
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First off any two guns without Apex/Flatline barrels, chronoed at the same FPS, using decent paint, and clean but not overlubed will shoot the same.
Axe (in line poppit)
can play tighter
more efficient

Geo 2/2.1 (spool)
smoother
quieter
batter packaging
more reliable (Axe has yet to prove itself)
longer feel (if you like that feel than this is a pro)

Both have great cs
Bottom line is the Axe is a great mid to high end but a Geo2/2.1 is a true highend. High ends are just built better. If you wanted to go down the highend road I would look other than a Geo2/2.1 because they are nothing special. Here is my list of high ends you should consider: (top to bottom, best to worst)
Clone Vx
Victory
Luxe
G6R
Well said my friend

Although I have only played with my newly aquired Axe once I think its pretty damn smooth and pretty quiet, still need to break it in though. I think it would get the job done very well and I cant see myself even possibly NEEDING more "high end" then the Axe.

Now on to the other high ends. I love really smooth guns (I prefer spools over poppits) and the Clone VX really looks super smooth and pretty efficient, sexy too! If you want a high end, cross the Geo off the list and REALLY look at the Clone or Luxe (I would take the Clone over the Luxe)

Thats about all I got as of now, good luck
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:26 PM #19
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This.

There are pros and cons to both guns.

Axe: Pros- price, good CS, all modes needed, macroless (if prefered), easy to maintain, air efficient, easy to resell, can leave in the bag for a week after playing and will still shoot, techs at every event, most shops deal.

Cons- stock barrel may want to replace, uses a spring to adjust velocity, Uses LED lights (can make it hard to tune on the spot, preference), will need new gun case, limited colors.



Geo 2.1: Pros- efficient on air, has an LCD screen for easy tuning (preference), good stock barrel, many color selections, new style asa and reg, good CS, comes with case, smoother shot, easy to maintain, techs at every event, most shops deal, easy to sell or trade, still uses macroline for easy fixing.

Cons- price.



The Axe is a poppit and the Geo2.1 is a spool, which operate differently. While the Axe is the cheapest tournament level poppit on the market, there are other spool markers that shoot just as good or better than the geo2.1, yet can be found at a lower price. May want to look around a bit.
If it's red it's wrong. Axe's are smooth as **** and have no kick just kinda snappy.
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I've watch the nppl event 1 tons of times and I have to say every other game or so Thomas Taylor was having to mess with something on his axe because it was malfunctioning or the hopper popped off. Not sure if that was before or during the time they had the axe pro edition with all the ups on it.
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I've watch the nppl event 1 tons of times and I have to say every other game or so Thomas Taylor was having to mess with something on his axe because it was malfunctioning or the hopper popped off. Not sure if that was before or during the time they had the axe pro edition with all the ups on it.
Yeah and I saw a lot of barrel breaks, so it's not very fragile on paint, but we all know how ridiculously fragile the paint is at events
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