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Old 05-05-2012, 04:03 PM #463
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I actually have two small manual lathes for wood turning and such.
There's a kit to make it CNC and another one to simply copy existing pieces.

I LOVE my hand made ebony pens.. Also easy to make some $$
Figure the pen materials cost $5-10 (more if rarer wood..) and then yo usell for $50+. I can usually make at least 6 pens/hour..

For our own testing, I am purchasing a G4 and need to make sure I purchase the latest revision of any aftermarket bolt engines currently on the market as well as any updated parts direct from DP.
We currently have a G3 and G3 Spec R. I also own three different chronos, have access to numerous kinds of paint (I love being a dealer ), hopefully access to a decibel meter, and I just got word that I may be able to snag some time on a high speed camera.

I figure for testing purposes, I will do something like the following:
1. Make sure markers are in proper working order
2. Set markers to stock settings.
3. Take Average Chrono readings and PSI @ stock settings w/ Stock Bolt Engine
3. Take Average chrono readings @ same PSI @ stock Settings w/ Competitors bolt engine(s)
4. Take Average chrono readings @ same PSI @ stock Settings w/ our bolt engine(s)

Might do it the above over each individual chrono..

For average chrono readings, I am thinking of samples of 50 shots.

Granted this is a preliminary idea, does anyone have any other recommendations for my personal test procedure or would you like to see me do something else? Is the 50 ball spread satisfactory when using premium grade balls from the same case? etc?
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I actually have two small manual lathes for wood turning and such.
There's a kit to make it CNC and another one to simply copy existing pieces.

I LOVE my hand made ebony pens.. Also easy to make some $$
Figure the pen materials cost $5-10 (more if rarer wood..) and then yo usell for $50+. I can usually make at least 6 pens/hour..

For our own testing, I am purchasing a G4 and need to make sure I purchase the latest revision of any aftermarket bolt engines currently on the market as well as any updated parts direct from DP.
We currently have a G3 and G3 Spec R. I also own three different chronos, have access to numerous kinds of paint (I love being a dealer ), hopefully access to a decibel meter, and I just got word that I may be able to snag some time on a high speed camera.

I figure for testing purposes, I will do something like the following:
1. Make sure markers are in proper working order
2. Set markers to stock settings.
3. Take Average Chrono readings and PSI @ stock settings w/ Stock Bolt Engine
3. Take Average chrono readings @ same PSI @ stock Settings w/ Competitors bolt engine(s)
4. Take Average chrono readings @ same PSI @ stock Settings w/ our bolt engine(s)

Might do it the above over each individual chrono..

For average chrono readings, I am thinking of samples of 50 shots.

Granted this is a preliminary idea, does anyone have any other recommendations for my personal test procedure or would you like to see me do something else? Is the 50 ball spread satisfactory when using premium grade balls from the same case? etc?
I think I said all of that when you asked me about testing.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:20 PM #466
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Did you? Hm. That's what I've been planning, but I am trying to make sure that I cover as much as I can with what I have available. Naturally, if the camera, etc pulls through, I will use those as well.

Shipping out a TON of stuff to Jonathan today.. hopefully will make his CNC a bit easier to use AND get the ball rolling on some replacement parts (I can finally use the 4+ lucky ion bodies I have laying around without internals! Yay!) while refining his CNC controls.
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"I have kits started for all of the DP guns, I'll be in the shop every night and most of this weekend working on them."

Sooooo we should **HOPEFULLY** have these test kits out and ready to go early next week
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"I have kits started for all of the DP guns, I'll be in the shop every night and most of this weekend working on them."

Sooooo we should **HOPEFULLY** have these test kits out and ready to go early next week
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You better hurry or I'll have to change my shipping address because I'll be in texas.
whats better: cuba or tx? Doesnt matter. we'll airdrop!

Anyhow.. I have yet to see any suggestions about how I plan to test everything. Am I set or is there anything im missing?
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Test 1: All Stock
Test 2: TechT Engine, stock board
Test 3: Prototype, stock board
Test 4: Stock bolt, aftermarket board to adjust dwell accordingly for best numbers
Test 5: TechT Engine, aftermarket board to adjust dwell accordingly for best numbers
Test 6: Prototype, aftermarket board to adjust dwell accordingly for best numbers

Test results:
  • Efficiency
  • Consistency
  • Audibility

Other things to take into account are types of barrels used. paint matching, etc.



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I'm hoping to have at least some of the kits done by the end of the weekend - yours (AoSpades) will be in the first batch to go out to make sure you get it in time.

I need to get some threaded rod at the hardware store on the way home tomorrow to tweak my lathe yet again, for some reason the collet chuck I made has developed about 4 thousandths of runout, so I will be using the original for the remainder of the bolts, but I already reappropriated the drawbar for use in the mill. 4 thousandths total tolerance deviation (+/- .002") isn't bad, but the current operation is doing the bores of the bolts, and I would like those as concentric as possible. Considering it should be capable of better than .001" runout (and normally does), I'd rather improve on it than risk wasting half finished bolts.
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Test 1: All Stock
Test 2: TechT Engine, stock board
Test 3: Prototype, stock board
Test 4: Stock bolt, aftermarket board to adjust dwell accordingly for best numbers
Test 5: TechT Engine, aftermarket board to adjust dwell accordingly for best numbers
Test 6: Prototype, aftermarket board to adjust dwell accordingly for best numbers

Test results:
  • Efficiency
  • Consistency
  • Audibility

Other things to take into account are types of barrels used. paint matching, etc.



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Hm. Aftermarket boards..
Lucky v1, lucky v2, virtue, virtue redefined, blackheart, tadao, other tadao, t board, etc. lol XD
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Hm. Aftermarket boards..
Lucky v1, lucky v2, virtue, virtue redefined, blackheart, tadao, other tadao, t board, etc. lol XD
I prefer APE but all you need is one that adjusts the dwell
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I prefer APE but all you need is one that adjusts the dwell
Ya know.. I have only used an APE board once and it was a pain in the ***. That's probably because it was broken. XD

I wonder why I don't see them more (seriously).
I may have to pick one up.
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but if your testing it on a g4 you dont need an aftermarket board to adjust the dwell and stuff like that. i agree with everyone above, it seems like you got a good starting guide to testing your bolt. i would definitely suggest testing out different dwells and finding out which one get the best consistency and such
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LOL I was thinking ION BOARDS.

>.<

This is what happens when you are an ion whore :p
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LOL I was thinking ION BOARDS.

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its ok it happens to the best of us.......
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its ok it happens to the best of us.......
=p it also doesnt help that im trying to buy roughly 2k ion boards at the moment. x.x
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Well if anyone cares...
I have a G4, the stock bolt, techt bolt, APE OLED board, Virtue clock chrono, pressure testers, barrel kits, etc. I tech/test guns all the time. This would be no different.
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