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Old 08-02-2011, 10:23 PM #1
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Do you own a G3 or G4 and want an awesome Bolt Kit? If so, read on..

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Hola!

I've been working with Jonathan/y0da900 on a few custom projects such as our mechanical ion kit and some crazy drivetrains.

One of the markers that we believe can see some improvement from our designs would be the G3/G4 platform.

Naturally, it would provide increased consistency, efficiency, etc.
Obviously there are other products on the market to fill this niche, but again, we believe that we have a solid design that will help the community.

Part of this would involve pricing. While we know what current bolt systems are going for, what do you guys think would be a fair price for a complete bolt system?

Are there any specific features, etc that you would be looking for?

Which would you want a kit for first? The G4/G3 spec R or the G3?

Any comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your time!
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:25 PM #2
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Hola!

I've been working with Jonathan/y0da900 on a few custom projects such as our mechanical ion kit and some crazy drivetrains.

One of the markers that we believe can see some improvement from our designs would be the G3/G4 platform.

Naturally, it would provide increased consistency, efficiency, etc.
Obviously there are other products on the market to fill this niche, but again, we believe that we have a solid design that will help the community.

Part of this would involve pricing. While we know what current bolt systems are going for, what do you guys think would be a fair price for a complete bolt system?

Are there any specific features, etc that you would be looking for?

Any comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Thanks for your time!
techt already beat you to it.....
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:32 PM #3
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You're correct. They have. We can always make and attempt at improving something and the worst we can do is what, fail? Big deal.

Just like with some of the other stuff we have in the works.. We're hoping to at least give it a shot.
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I dont like the tooless backcap of the techt bolt. i think it killls the sexi looks of the spec r.

if you can get me a bolt system that will perform just as good as the tech t bolt for $50 then you have your self a customer.
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techt already beat you to it.....
This..... Little too late buddy. I would be amazed if what you had to offer even came close to the techT bolt engine.
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Another thing to consider is tech t's customer service. Im not sure how it is for their other products, but they have always given the DP community 110% ever sense i came to this board in 08/09.
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This..... Little too late buddy. I would be amazed if what you had to offer even came close to the techT bolt engine.
and it would be even harder to replicate their customer service.....

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and it would be even harder to replicate their customer service.....
actually it wouldnt. You just have to do it right and accept when your product has a flaw and fix it. some company's just cant seem to do this while techt steps up and makes it right everytime just like any other company should do.. sadly they dont.
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I dont like the tooless backcap of the techt bolt. i think it killls the sexi looks of the spec r.

if you can get me a bolt system that will perform just as good as the tech t bolt for $50 then you have your self a customer.
Thanks for your input! We'll keep it in mind.

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This..... Little too late buddy. I would be amazed if what you had to offer even came close to the techT bolt engine.
Well, I really don't want to make this a "TECHT VS xxx" or "Techt is teh winnarz" thread. Yes, they did. You're 100% correct.

Again, we strongly believe we can improve the marker's performance with our parts. The problem is figuring out if it would even be worth doing a limited run because thats a fair chunk of change to lay out without breaking even.
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Instead of *****ing about how techt is better i will help.

Techt bolt kit- 80ish

Features: Easy to clean and replace orings
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Instead of *****ing about how techt is better i will help.

Techt bolt kit- 80ish

Features: Easy to clean and replace orings
Thanks

Hm. The stock and techt are not easy to replace orings/clean already?
Anything specifically?
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Thanks for your input! We'll keep it in mind.



Well, I really don't want to make this a "TECHT VS xxx" or "Techt is teh winnarz" thread. Yes, they did. You're 100% correct.

Again, we strongly believe we can improve the marker's performance with our parts. The problem is figuring out if it would even be worth doing a limited run because thats a fair chunk of change to lay out without breaking even.
Before we decide if we would buy one, what will the results look like? How much better than the techt bolt engine will your bolt be? I won't buy something or give someone input before I have some data.

But to answer your question, of course people will be interested if you make a bolt that performs as well or better than the techt engine, especially if you offer for a cheaper price.
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Honestly, I couldn't tell you right now.
This design is working RIDICULOUSLY well across several other platforms.
the thing is, we have not released it as of yet since we're still tweaking it.
(if you look at the mech ion kit/closed bolt kits that are made by us, you'll realize that we are always looking to improve the quality of our products and back it 100%, even helping with custom builds and actually LISTENING to other ballers in regards to tweaks)

We're looking at porting it to the DP format. Just working on some variations and other stuff.


Not sure if anyone realized.. but we paintball too. I'm not some random exec from an overlord company.
I personally run with a stupidly awesome ion. and a luxe. and a g6r.and pumps. but you know what? I love the ion and the fact that I put it together and was able to help make the platform better in my eyes. Hell, it doesn't SHOOT like an ion.. shoots like my luxe..

That's what we're trying to do. Take what we have learned and may be able to do and apply it to other projects. If we can improve - awesome. If we cannot - well, it sucks. But all we can do is move on or try again.
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Just to clarify, the concepts we are thinking of are not either of those, but shares some of the same design philosophies. My primary focus is typically efficiency bar none - Techt focuses on low recoil, which they generally excel at. Options are almost never a bad thing.
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I've kept up with both of you for a while seeing the finished products and "in the works" projects in the Customs side of the forum. I have a good feeling about you two. Whilst I really haven't an input that's already been stated... I'd like to see something along the lines of increased efficiency and consistancy over all. I can care less about kick, if you can't hit what you're aiming at with the first shot, what makes you think 30 will?

Price isn't really an issue with me, oh wait yes it is because my PayPal is borked to hell.
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for me, the biggest thing would be consistency.

right now with the stock bolt at 11ms im getting 7pods and a hopper out of 3800psi in a 68ci tank. That is plenty for me. If i could get the damn gun to shoot +-2 over the crono, id be a happy camper. I know the bolt isnt the only variable for consistency but its a start
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i would absolutly LOVE another option in an after market bolt for the G3/G4 etc... another bolt and a new back cap. the TechT bolt is great but i'd love something new
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I've kept up with both of you for a while seeing the finished products and "in the works" projects in the Customs side of the forum. I have a good feeling about you two. Whilst I really haven't an input that's already been stated... I'd like to see something along the lines of increased efficiency and consistancy over all. I can care less about kick, if you can't hit what you're aiming at with the first shot, what makes you think 30 will?

Price isn't really an issue with me, oh wait yes it is because my PayPal is borked to hell.
Thanks for your support!

Price.. yeah. We don't want to break the bank, but we have not even seen what a production of these will cost. Again, still focusing on the product. Selling it, pricing, and any other BS can come later.

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for me, the biggest thing would be consistency.

right now with the stock bolt at 11ms im getting 7pods and a hopper out of 3800psi in a 68ci tank. That is plenty for me. If i could get the damn gun to shoot +-2 over the crono, id be a happy camper. I know the bolt isnt the only variable for consistency but its a start
Try a disruptive customs barrel and better paint. TBH they're the best barrels I have used.. and I have tried EVERYTHING.
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Try a disruptive customs barrel and better paint. TBH they're the best barrels I have used.. and I have tried EVERYTHING.
Even better than a 14" Bob Long barrel tapped for freak inserts?



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