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Old 08-06-2011, 11:57 AM #148
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If their customers suffer from an unsafe product the market will respond in a way that costs them profits, so yes they actually do have quite a large incentive to produce safe and effective products.
Assuming the public has an uproar. Company's put out unsafe products all the time because it's cheaper to do a recall (if it even gets that far) than to reengineer the product. Cigarette companies, pharmaceuticals, toy companies, auto maker, the meat industry have all shown self regulation doesn't work.
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Old 08-06-2011, 12:17 PM #149
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If self regulation didn't work in the past, why would it work now?
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It's interesting to hear from our largest creditor, China.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-problems.html

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China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States to address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets.

If no substantial cuts were made to the U.S. gigantic military expenditure and bloated social welfare costs, the downgrade (S&P) would prove to be only a prelude to more devastating credit rating cuts, which will further roil the global financial markets.

-New China news agency
Their recommendation for defense cuts is predictable, but their concern about our bloated social welfare costs is interesting in that it comes from a politically communist country. Even China believes our entitlement spending is out-of-control. What does this say about our progressive left and Democrats in general? It appears the left's concept of social justice is even more extreme than Chinese communist ideology?
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Old 08-06-2011, 02:17 PM #151
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It's interesting to hear from our largest creditor, China.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-problems.html



Their recommendation for defense cuts is predictable, but their concern about our bloated social welfare costs is interesting in that it comes from a politically communist country. Even China believes our entitlement spending is out-of-control. What does this say about our progressive left and Democrats in general? It appears the left's concept of social justice is even more extreme than Chinese communist ideology?
This is just the chinese being douche bags trying to discredit the U.S. government for political reasons

They don't actually believe what they're saying: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogsp...reasuries.html
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This is just the chinese being douche bags trying to discredit the U.S. government for political reasons

They don't actually believe what they're saying: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogsp...reasuries.html
We've already been discredited by S&P, China just jumped on the bandwagon.

Your reference simply suggests that China will continue to buy our debt. This isn't particulary revealing, since being our creditor provides them the leverage to publicly berate us, as they've unabashedly demonstrated over the past several months.

That said, your article doesn't address the Chinese perception of how the U.S. got into this mess in the first place. I thought my point was obvious, that it's quite an irony when you have a communist country telling us that we have "bloated social welfare costs." China may act like a douche bag, but that doesn't make their stinging assessment wrong.
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Maybe if China actually had some decent social safety nets they could foster some domestic consumer spending and not have to be so reliant on their export market. As it is, we have more leverage over China then they have over us.

oh yeah, and we have not been "discredited" by the S&P. jesus christ get a grip...
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oh yeah, and we have not been "discredited" by the S&P. jesus christ get a grip...
Then again, the right not having a grip is how we got here in the first place... Manufactured a crisis for political gain and hurt the country in the process. I mean it's not like it's unprecedented that the right hurts America for its political benefit, this is yet another example.
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Maybe if China actually had some decent social safety nets they could foster some domestic consumer spending and not have to be so reliant on their export market. As it is, we have more leverage over China then they have over us.

oh yeah, and we have not been "discredited" by the S&P. jesus christ get a grip...
Should also add that China has a lower rating than the US.
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Its pretty obvious that seahawk has never been to or seen "communist china." Some aspects are much more capitalist than the US. I would call them authoritarians rather than communists, but I know how people love their buzz words. The majority of their population lives in worse poverty than even exists in the US. Other sectors are incredibly rich, hardly a model of communism.
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Old 08-06-2011, 05:08 PM #157
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It's interesting to hear from our largest creditor, China.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-problems.html

Their recommendation for defense cuts is predictable, but their concern about our bloated social welfare costs is interesting in that it comes from a politically communist country. Even China believes our entitlement spending is out-of-control. What does this say about our progressive left and Democrats in general? It appears the left's concept of social justice is even more extreme than Chinese communist ideology?
Way to fill in the canyons with ****.

They can provide universal health care and entitlement for three reasons.

1) They control their medical system and the costs. We are at the mercy of insurance companies, pharmas, inflated education costs, massive tort.

2) They control housing. The building, allocation, building material creation, and all costs in between.

3) They control the farming industry and set pricing, what is grown, and when it is grown.

With everyone throwing their hands in an expecting to get paid more and more from these programs... There's no way the us can offer them for these prices.
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Old 08-06-2011, 06:10 PM #158
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Cut everything by 30%
Defense by 50%
Congress by 90%
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Can't spend money we don't have.
Also, gotta raise taxes too.
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Old 08-06-2011, 06:59 PM #159
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Cut everything by 30%
Defense by 50%
Congress by 90%
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HHS by 65%
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Can't spend money we don't have.
Also, gotta raise taxes too.
True. I still don't see why people are so fundamentally against tax raises.
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Old 08-06-2011, 07:03 PM #160
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As it is, we have more leverage over China then they have over us.
If that's true, shouldn't we be using the bully pulpit, instead of the Chinese? Your wishing it were true doesn't make it so. If you can't recognize the global power shift going on, then you're simply blind. Even Adm. Mike Mullen recognizes that the greatest threat to our national security is the national debt. It's time for you to wake up from your self-induced coma.

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oh yeah, and we have not been "discredited" by the S&P. jesus christ get a grip...
Our credit rating has been downgraded. You can argue the semantics of what that means, but I don't think I'm exagerating the fact that we've been "discredited," not just in our own eyes, but the rest of the world as well. This is just another simple fact you seem to be oblivious to.
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Its pretty obvious that seahawk has never been to or seen "communist china." Some aspects are much more capitalist than the US. I would call them authoritarians rather than communists, but I know how people love their buzz words. The majority of their population lives in worse poverty than even exists in the US. Other sectors are incredibly rich, hardly a model of communism.
On the contrary, I've been to China and seen more poverty and deprivation than you'll ever see in your lifetime - at least I hope so, for your sake. You're completely right about China. Don't mistake what I'm saying for implied support of Chinese communist ideology. I take great shame in the fact that they're our number one creditor, but would agree with our creditor's assessment of our "bloated social welfare costs." The fact that we spend too much is plain to any reasoned individual...and apparantly plain to the rest of the world.

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With everyone throwing their hands in an expecting to get paid more and more from these programs... There's no way the us can offer them for these prices.
As ColdBlood pointed out they have no where near the standard of living we enjoy, despite their substandard universal health care. The point is that if we want to continue to enjoy our current standard of living and not be brow beaten by communists for our lack of fiscal discipline, we need to reign in our entitlement spending.
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I wonder if the Bush tax cuts would still be maintained if the balanced budget amendment was introduced before Bush's presidency. Well, they did put footnotes in the proposed bill that would enable deficit spending for areas like defense so I guess they would have bypassed that anyway. That $3.5T looks very appealing right now.
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I would start by removing a lot of the redundancy we have on the federal level of government. For example, the DoD, NSA, FBI, and CIA could realistically be integrated into one organization which would be much more efficient than multiple agencies. Next, I would completely cut medicare and medicaid. I would also put a six month cap on all unemployment or welfare, while also decreasing the payouts. Foreign aid would be reduced also.

Probably the biggest change I would make is a complete freeze in ANY budget increases. Having a problem with debt and still continuing to spend more money is just stupid.
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As ColdBlood pointed out they have no where near the standard of living we enjoy, despite their substandard universal health care. The point is that if we want to continue to enjoy our current standard of living and not be brow beaten by communists for our lack of fiscal discipline, we need to reign in our entitlement spending.
This is true however in the same breath it creates their largest problem for the next century. How do you motivate such a large population base when they are being ever more exposed to societies around them with such higher living standards. Their strength of having such a large workforce is turning into their next largest problem. How do you shift a massive poor industrial based society into a society with a functioning middle class. In order to bring up a middle class they need to educate them which threatens their absolute rule. They also must find a way to convert from the world's sweat shop to a society beyond that.

Just as we are currently living beyond our means, they are living at a level far below acceptable. Both will cause destruction with in societies.
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