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Old 07-23-2011, 08:23 PM #1
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Apex barrel in tournament play?

Dum question would an apex barrel be ok for tournoment play

PSP,NPPL,CFOA ETC.

Not trying to start anything just wondering
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:52 PM #2
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i think they are illegal.
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Old 07-23-2011, 10:04 PM #3
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i think they are illegal.
Can we get a rules quote on this?

(I'll look later, but don't have time today/night)
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:00 AM #4
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I wouldn't recommend it, even if the rules allow it. You're shooting extremely brittle paint into a barrel that creates backspin through resistance. You're begging for ball breaks in a situation where you can't afford to have equipment malfunctioning.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:12 AM #5
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I wouldn't recommend it, even if the rules allow it. You're shooting extremely brittle paint into a barrel that creates backspin through resistance. You're begging for ball breaks in a situation where you can't afford to have equipment malfunctioning.
I agree with this completely, but I will say last time I recballed, I was hit by a kid with one of these... prob just a lucky shot, but it did work!!! It would be interesting to see if they are legal. These and paint grenades!!!
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:37 AM #6
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9.3.8. A marker with settings, whether mechanical, pneumatic, or electronic, that may be adjusted without the use of tools to allow the marker to operate in an illegal manner is illegal.74 A player who operates buttons, switches, valves or other adjustable device on a marker on the field of play without the permission of a judge will be assessed a minor penalty. A player who operates buttons, switches, valves or other adjustable device on a marker on the field of play after being instructed to provide the marker to an official, or prior to being instructed to do so, will receive a gross penalty and that player will receive a minor suspension.
foot note: 74 Essentially, anything that can adjust velocity, shot mode, de-bounce, etc, must be locked-down so it can’t be changed on the field

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9.3.9. Marker barrels may be equipped with porting, but may not have a sound suppressor attached or integral to the construction of the barrel.
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9.3.10. A marker with any valve, expansion chamber, or other item or device except a barrel or screw-in air source 75 that may be adjusted on the field of play to increase or decrease velocity without the use of tools is illegal.
Foot note: 75 This exception only applies to screwing in or unscrewing the air source – any settings on the air tank itself must not be adjustable without the use of tools.

I would say they are legal!!! 9.3.8 says you can't adjust something without judge's permission, so assuming you get that it is fine. If you wanted to press the issue, 9.3.9 talks about a sound suppressor, nothing else, so that wouldn't exclude it, and 9.3.10 excludes barrels as illegal adjustable parts!!! Other rules says nothing can adjust the speed, but as long as speed isn't touched, I think you are OK once you get judge's permission.

As said before, to many chances for barrel breaks and such for this to be useful, but how freaking hilarious would it be to see Dynasty rocking these???? ROFL You couldn't keep these on the shelves if they did!
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:48 AM #7
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7.08 Barrels. Players may only bring one barrel on the playing field. The barrel must be attached to the marker.
For the most part, the NPPL and PSP rules are pretty much the same with this exception. I bring this up since they might consider the apex part a second barrel since it is attached to the barrel itself.

On the other hand, barrel kits are 2 or 3 pieces themselves so this could just be considered a 3rd or 4th piece.
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I agree with this completely, but I will say last time I recballed, I was hit by a kid with one of these... prob just a lucky shot, but it did work!!! It would be interesting to see if they are legal. These and paint grenades!!!
Paint grenades are not allowed in the vast majority of tournaments. Scenarios yes, speedball, absolutely not.
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Old 07-24-2011, 01:35 PM #9
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Cool I cant wait to someone on the field with an Apex...LOL
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:01 PM #10
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We often go from speedball to the woods, so people sometime play with their apexs on. I feel they have no real advantage in speedball with them.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:23 PM #11
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apexes don't work well at such a close range anyways, they start curving in a direction after 30 or 40 feet. I doubt each dorito will happen to have 30 or 40 foot's space in between one another.

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Old 07-24-2011, 02:25 PM #12
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Paint grenades are not allowed in the vast majority of tournaments. Scenarios yes, speedball, absolutely not.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:45 PM #13
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Paint grenades are not allowed in the vast majority of tournaments. Scenarios yes, speedball, absolutely not.
No I was talking about apex barrel.
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Old 07-24-2011, 08:05 PM #14
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9.3.13. Any player whose marker has been modified from the manufacturer’s original form to
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:08 PM #15
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9.3.13. Any player whose marker has been modified from the manufacturer’s original form to
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I saw that, but the rulebooks call modes of operation semi, ramp, etc.

To further it, the gun is still working in the same mode of operation, the barrel does not change that. In fact, if the barrel did change anything, then barrel kits would not be allowed unless they came stock with the gun.
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I saw that, but the rulebooks call modes of operation semi, ramp, etc.

To further it, the gun is still working in the same mode of operation, the barrel does not change that. In fact, if the barrel did change anything, then barrel kits would not be allowed unless they came stock with the gun.
I might be slightly confused but barrel kits are perfectly legal. 1 front and 1 back counts as a barrel. They won't let you take your other backs and tips on the field though lol, you have it leave them in your bag in the pits.
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APEX is decent enough to use, but if you break a ball in it, it's a pain to clean. You can't "shoot through it" because it lacks ports..and to clean it, you really have to take it off the marker. It's hard to quick swab it.
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I might be slightly confused but barrel kits are perfectly legal. 1 front and 1 back counts as a barrel. They won't let you take your other backs and tips on the field though lol, you have it leave them in your bag in the pits.
That is my point! If the way barrel kits work change the "mode of operation" then they WOULD BE considered illegal. But since they do not change the mode of operation, then they are not illegal, thus an apex barrel would not be considered a device that changes the mode of operation, thus not illegal based off of that rule.

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APEX is decent enough to use, but if you break a ball in it, it's a pain to clean. You can't "shoot through it" because it lacks ports..and to clean it, you really have to take it off the marker. It's hard to quick swab it.
Right, it wouldn't be the best idea to use one, but it doesn't mean they are illegal. Stock tippmanns are tourney legal too.
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That is my point! If the way barrel kits work change the "mode of operation" then they WOULD BE considered illegal. But since they do not change the mode of operation, then they are not illegal, thus an apex barrel would not be considered a device that changes the mode of operation, thus not illegal based off of that rule.



Right, it wouldn't be the best idea to use one, but it doesn't mean they are illegal. Stock tippmanns are tourney legal too.


just thought about something.

a barrel kit cant be changed on field though while an apex has that ability to change its operation while playing.
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just thought about something.

a barrel kit cant be changed on field though while an apex has that ability to change its operation while playing.
hmmm.... point...

too tired to think about this right now, but will keep in mind...
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