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Old 07-12-2011, 06:58 PM #43
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dammit.
can't you make some decent rubbery wraparound grips? Panel grips are laaaame

anywho, it looks like the board can be used without the screen... neat-ish.
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:45 PM #44
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Everything has a lifetime warranty. The batteries if they are defective we will replace them. You can actually buy extra sets of rechargeable for about 10 bucks. PM Tom or give us a call, I think that's the price. (I hope it's not more or I'll look like a prick...)

As it turns out, you can also put a 9volt battery harness on this board. Except for one small problem. The grip frame is so narrow it wont fit on account of the screen. That's part of the reason for the batteries -- other part is it's actually a nice benefit to never have to buy new batteries... just charge it up before you go play. I suppose it's one more thing to do, but I'd just counter if you spend that much on your game to buy a nice gun and then board like this, you'd probably benefit quite a bit from a bit of preparation before hand.

Still, if you're a rockstar player, who's also a slacker then just buy our solar backpack and charge it up while at the field
As stated earlier it uses all 4 eyes too.

Thanks for response. Glad to hear that the extra batteries are on the cheap side. Which is a

Lol and for sure on just charging before you play. But there are people out there who might not always do that. And think gun is good to go. But get to field with dead battery and have no extra battery which means cant play..
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Old 07-13-2011, 01:22 AM #45
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But there are people out there who might not always do that. And think gun is good to go. But get to field with dead battery and have no extra battery which means cant play..
If someone spends that much money on a Virtue board, knowing full well that they need to charge it, and then forget to do so before going to play then that's on them, honestly.

I also know that I would be that guy, heh.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:46 AM #46
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I would really like to hear back from Virtue though on how there better is legitimately better then stock.
I won't address the software related features that provide additional benefit, or usability issues, but just address a couple performance issues (which includes hardware/software).

A lot of people seem to labor under the impression all a board does is just make the gun go bang. That's analogous to saying all a PC does is just open windows and make words appear on the screen. Just because two PCs each have a keyboard and a monitor does not mean each perform the same. Now this says nothing about the board per se, but I just wanted to make the point that we don't believe comparisons like that with one piece of electronics, so it probably doesn't hold for a different piece of electronics.

There are two reasons why Virtue boards can increase performance -- software and hardware. I can't address too much in precise technical detail, because then it could just be copied, negating our performance advantage. But there is a real difference. One, the software has to be optimized in a way to allow you to shoot the fastest possible while still being legal, whether you're capped or uncapped, etc. Here's a real-world example that was getting people penalties a couple years ago when the RoF caps were just getting enforced. I don't think any boards do this anymore (but I could be wrong... I just haven't heard about it recently).

Some board software (not ours) when set to a certain rate of fire, would try to make sure it always reached that RoF, so it would go an extra step, but in a heavy handed way of adding an extra shot to reach say 15bps if the board thought it was not going to reach 15bps when it "should". This would cause random penalties for the gun shooting too fast, because occasionally, and often it would "guess" wrong and exceed it's own imposed RoF cap. That's just one instance of RoF performance.

I'll give another one on actual gun shooting performance that would affect how your gun feels as it shoots and how accurate it is (yes, this is a doozey). You put your gun over a chronograph and you can see how much the velocity fluctuates by from shot to shot, correct? Well, there are several variables that affect your gun's consistency - first is how accurate the chronograph actually is from reading to reading... but also paint, barrel, temperature, regulator, bolt designs, battery level, etc. etc. But did you also realize a varying dwell can affect your gun's performance? I'm sure you did, as if you turn the dwell down and up the gun will change performance. Most people don't realize that there are many boards out there (and I'm not naming names) that don't have a consistent dwell output.

That is to say, even though you "set" your dwell to say 10ms, it may actually output 10ms on one shot, 9ms on another shot 10.2ms on another shot, 8.9ms on another shot, 11ms on another shot.

The same goes with the rate of fire. Did you realize that when you "set" your board to 12bps, you may actually be outputting 10bps? And it can vary within shot to shot?

Well, not on the Virtue OLED board. Because we combine different hardware elements with our software to ensure all these settings are consistent and precise (as possible). Your board operates off a CPU which more or less determines how accurate the settings you "set" will be. And if you do not combine some other hardware and software elements with that CPU then there is a lot of variation going on that you can't actually "see". Everything from the eyes, to the dwell, to the trigger monitoring is affected.

Remember, with electronic hardware and software you're dealing with abstractions. You don't just tell a board, "shoot". Or say, "out put voltage for 1ms". But you effectively accomplish these things through controlling the hardware. And the hardware is controlled based on how good your programming is and how good your hardware design is, as well as the limitations of what kind of components you have on the PCB.

Now, I'm not blowing smoke and mirrors in your face and telling you one shot your gun will be fine and the next it will shoot like crap. You can pick up any gun and go play- and it's always been that way... from a Spyder to a G6R. But when you go from a Spyder to a G6R there are refinements that you can plainly see and can't see (to the untrained eye). I'll submit to you the same is true with the boards. The board does make a difference. At the end of the day, if we're being honest with ourselves, where' talking about gaining an extra edge. The extra edge can be completely negated if you have a crappy game plan, or if your paint sucks, or if your hopper batteries die, or if the other team is just way better. And the inverse is true, the slight (or large) technical downsides of your equipment can be overcome if you can dominate your opponents in other ways.

We all know that, but at the end of the day, some people want their best performing gear possible. And some people can actually notice a difference that's hard to explain. A part of it is this consistency of performance of your gun, that directly relates to the hardware/software on your board. And it's real, and not a bunch of smoke and mirrors, but like I said, it also needs to be placed in the context of the overall game/equipment to be properly understood and evaluated.

I have no hesitation in saying this board will make a gun shoot better. I have no hesitation in saying the Drill Modes can help a player become better. But I'm not going to tell anyone the stock board in the G6R isn't enough to go and win a tournament. Because it can and is done that way. It's clear you don't "need" it. But I'm talking about the extra edge and making sure you can maximize every aspect of your equipment's potential. There is still a lot more to winning besides that...
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:52 AM #47
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Why do companies even do work in this field? PB players are a bunch of *****es who complain about everything. You just managed to cram and oled board with Li battery into one of the smallest frames ever? Let me find reasons to complain about it.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:48 AM #48
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Why do companies even do work in this field? PB players are a bunch of *****es who complain about everything. You just managed to cram and oled board with Li battery into one of the smallest frames ever? Let me find reasons to complain about it.
If i owned a company i would not even make an account of forums cause its just all negative haters.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:03 PM #49
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Why do companies even do work in this field? PB players are a bunch of *****es who complain about everything. You just managed to cram and oled board with Li battery into one of the smallest frames ever? Let me find reasons to complain about it.
well untill im offered free wank-wanks to even consider a product. i need to be flown in first class to the place of dealership. offered high quality coffee and to which i will spit back and demand better coffee no matter the caliber,
then i will finally look up the product and ***** and moan that it isnt cheap enough or that i can get used for a better price, or that another store has them on sale for cheaper.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:34 PM #50
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well untill im offered free wank-wanks to even consider a product. i need to be flown in first class to the place of dealership. offered high quality coffee and to which i will spit back and demand better coffee no matter the caliber,
then i will finally look up the product and ***** and moan that it isnt cheap enough or that i can get used for a better price, or that another store has them on sale for cheaper.
Your first class tickets have been PM'd. Please check with Tom upon your arrival at JFK airport for the other... um free services you require in advance of your consideration.
I have it on good authority Tom is also really good at making everyone Coffee.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:39 PM #51
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They still make those? Holy **** need to go to the store now.
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It tells you when to lube your gun..stock cant do that
Reading the manual also tells you when things should be lubed. + alot more
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Couple of questions..

where can i find an online manual for the g6r board..

My usb doesnt recognize the board where do the prongs need to be set in order to read?

Will Virtue ever release wrap around g6r grips? i modded my bl grips to fit the window, since the first week i played with the grips, the virtue panel grips started peeling.

thx..
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My usb doesnt recognize the board where do the prongs need to be set in order to read?
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Integrated Mini-USB port for charging.
sounds like its just for charging

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