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Old 07-03-2011, 09:44 PM #1
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This seems timely...

I suppose many people have read the ProPaintball D1 Rumor Report, stating that a number of pro teams (5, I think, at last count) are planning to make the move to pro next year. NEH, 187, TKO, TopGun and Assault.

Perhaps fewer have read the VFTD blog (View from the Deadbox)

OK, so here’s the game: you are the [owner, coach, captain – take your pick] of a D1 team planning to make the jump to pro at the end of the season.

You have limited time to dedicate to getting the team ready. You simply can’t stand up everything that needs standing up. You are going to have to prioritize – work on sponsorship or spend time building up your infrastructure or trying to recruit the last few players to make your roster tip-top.

The question is simple: rank the importance of the various factors involved in going pro and give the reasons why. So, for instance, you may say that money is the most important because you need to pay players and pay coaches and fly all over the country for practices if you want to be competitive. Or maybe you’ll say the talent on the roster is the most important because without great individual players you won’t stand a chance. Maybe it’s the chemistry, because playing as individuals you won’t stand a chance. Maybe it’s coaching or infrastructure (pit crew, gun techs, organization around practices…) or marketing. Rank the top 2 or 3 or 5 things, whatever they are, that you think will be necessary for a D1 team to make the transition to Pro.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:37 PM #2
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You need people like me to work the other stuff so you can concentrate on the big stuff! Flame away LOL!

I say go Pro! Ultimate challenge! Incorporate your skills and abilities as teams into a collective and your all set! Super Team (s)!
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:35 PM #3
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1.)Will- All of the players have to be on the same page and have to be willing to work to get better
2) Chemistry-because with any amount of talent if people dont work together you will still fail
3) Talent- you need some talent to do well
4) Money- to be competitive with other teams around the country
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:37 PM #4
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Since I suck at narrowing stuff down, I'll just put up what I think is important in order:

1. Funding/Sponsorships
2. Marketing
3. Coaching
4. Infrastructure
5. Chemistry

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm sure it costs a little bit of money to play paintball and train like professionals. I believe marketing is the next best thing because, even if you don't perform well your first season, or three... if you're a well marketed team, have a big following, your team is "likeable" and still shows up in the media, this will help keep your team alive. Next I would say coaching because, I think its one of the things that separates the top tier pro teams from the bottom. Hell, it seems like any team that Mike Hinman is around becomes exponentially better. Didn't he take his Semi-Pro Aftermath team to pro and then make it to Sunday?

Proper infrastructure also helps keep the team together through organization, being prepared, and having the ability to practice like a professional team. Lastly a team that might lack in individual skills, will grow with their chemistry and the ability to stick around will help them gain the experience to become an all around competitive team. I do honestly think chemistry is actually really important. However it seems like players are always coming and going that you can't always have that team of 5-7 core players that's been competing together for a long time. And with proper financial backing, coaching, and infrastructure... it will help make up for that.

A little off topic, but I have always been curious - J.Stein do pro teams actually get "paid" or receive some sort of "bonus" by their sponsors for making podium finishes?
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:59 AM #5
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:58 AM #6
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A little off topic, but I have always been curious - J.Stein do pro teams actually get "paid" or receive some sort of "bonus" by their sponsors for making podium finishes?
Yeah, it is more or less a staple of the 'standard' sponsorship contract, although that may have changed since the last time I paid attention.
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Old 07-05-2011, 10:58 AM #7
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I think money has to be number one....bottom line is if you cant pay you cant play.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:06 AM #8
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Any team can be pro, if your team has enough funding you can draw players and get in alot of practice. To make the jump without funding would cost so much you couldnt afford to compete and your broke *** yet skilled players will get stolen by whoever can pay out more than you (wich is anyone since you have no money in comparison to the industry or some rich banker from russia).

I get the feeling that the industry can only afford so many pro teams, so why would Dye start pumping money into the Canes instead of their own home grown team?

I think skill wise 187 and the canes could pull it off in due time but maybe with some outside sponsorship or some way to get revenue like vicious through popularity, selling products and having their own series/farm teams.

All that crap aside, the Canes have been their before (not the same team but..).I think having a staff that knows what it takes and can properly judge their teams ability to handle playing at the pro level is half the battle.
over in this thread : Canes going pro. then saw this and its suprisingly on topic.
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Old 07-05-2011, 12:15 PM #9
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1. Funding/Sponsorship
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:26 PM #10
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1. Make your sponsors happy - ply them with small batch bourbon

After that everything else will just happen organically.
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Old 07-05-2011, 06:47 PM #11
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1. Funding/Sponsorship - being financially stable will extend the longevity of your team. Players will come, and unfortunately go, but it really comes down to having that backbone, and an identity as a team.

2. Coaching - Having someone keep everyone in the right spots and know what to do in every situation is imperative.

3. Chemistry - Playing as a team wins. Playing as individuals loses. Simple, common knowledge.

4. Marketing - You have to stay relevant. Winning is the easiest way to market your team. There are alternative ways to get good PR though, signings, clinics, yada yada.

5. Infrastructure - While a reliable pit crew and techs are always important, it's not like finding people at a tournament is hard to do, especially for pro teams. Players should take it upon themselves to be organized at practice, and if they can't, the coach should in the first place.
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:11 PM #12
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wish i still had the armageddon jersey i acquired. would be worth alot.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:57 AM #13
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wish i still had the armageddon jersey i acquired. would be worth alot.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:46 AM #14
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so...what did you pick up at the grocery store?
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In terms of all the recent moving up and down in pro paintball i think they do need to bring back a semi pro league and have the top 3 move up and down at the end of seasons like millennium and European soccer.

basic business to succeed includes
1. having stability
2. having funding/sponsors
3.have marketing
4. team chem
5. sponsorships.....with this is winning, if u take a series championship or even one event in a year, the sponsors will be more reluctant to supply your team, obv it is hard to win but this is why U need a strong stable team with few changes each year, remember NEH is only 2 years young if you think about it

I believe NEH could go beyond what is happening now, work hard with NEPL NEXL people, move events to not just MASS, but other fields in new england, have an bigger regional tournament going from mass to New jersey

this would bring more talent through the ranks in a better tourney environment like the the southeast and cali
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You team up with all five teams. Dictate to the PSP Pro Division what you need to succeed and work it from there. They need you not the other way around.
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