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Old 06-25-2011, 11:22 AM #1
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I'm looking for a 2 or 3 way solenoid that handles 250+ psi... help?

I've been googling but having a hard time finding a small 2 or 3 way solenoid for a marker I'm building. It only needs to be a 2 way (on/off) but I'd settle for just using a NC 3 way.

The cach is that it has to handle higher pressures, the higher the better (250-400+ psi)
Also, it must have a flow orifice greater than .060" (or a Cv factor .075 or larger)
And it'd also be nice to have a power usge under 10 watts DC
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Old 06-25-2011, 02:03 PM #2
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I think you're going to have to skip google as I find they cant search catalogues very well. Check parker, humphrey, mac, apex electrics, norton sales, surplus center, and other surplus aerospace surplus places.

Note, I've run 115 vac noids off of a 9v battery, running vac noids on dc just reduces their ability to hold the on position for a long (many minutes) time.
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Old 06-25-2011, 05:05 PM #3
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Depending on how large a solenoid you can deal with, you might want to sonsider one from a DP Fusion. Those are supposed to be rather robust, and some generations do not use an LPR, so they have a decent pressure rating (not certain exactly what though).

Another option is to use the solenoid valve from a gun that uses a pancake noid driven valve like a Wrath or an Odyssey. I don't know what the actual rating on them is, but many of those guns run around 300psi, and several of them do not use an LPR.
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Old 06-27-2011, 09:13 AM #4
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You're best (and maybe only) chance is a MAC valve, series 33. They make a special paintball version (model number 33A-AAA-RDUJ-0BL). But make sure its the +250psi version. Otherwise, you'd have to design your own..
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:57 AM #5
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Depending on how large a solenoid you can deal with, you might want to sonsider one from a DP Fusion. Those are supposed to be rather robust, and some generations do not use an LPR, so they have a decent pressure rating (not certain exactly what though).

Another option is to use the solenoid valve from a gun that uses a pancake noid driven valve like a Wrath or an Odyssey. I don't know what the actual rating on them is, but many of those guns run around 300psi, and several of them do not use an LPR.
I thought pancake noids were non pnematic, they simply pushed the sear
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I thought pancake noids were non pnematic, they simply pushed the sear
In guns like that wgp spoolie they actuate a 5 way valve.
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:24 PM #7
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They simply push whatever you put in front of them. Several guns have connected them to small 3 or 5-way valves as Leafy stated.
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:28 PM #8
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Interesting thanks for the clarification, I knew I was missing something
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:40 PM #9
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A 5 way?? why would a marker need a 5 way?

Anyways, the MQ & MQ2 basically use a large S-10-50 solenoid as a NC 2 way. I'm just looking for sometheing a little more direct and packaegd than cobbling together a valve from a large linear solenoid.
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Old 06-27-2011, 05:29 PM #10
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Most Autococker switches are technically 5-ways because they have an independent exhaust for each port. Some can also give you 2 separate inputs which may be useful for some things.

I've run in excess of 300psi through one of my Mac 33s before, but I suspect the coil life would suffer doing it too frequently.
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Old 06-27-2011, 06:48 PM #11
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CRCB's are 5 way, but you can block the ports to make them 3 way. 250psi is the limit on that solenoid BTW.

MAC will do custom 33's but you have to go through one of their distributors. I had a modification number for a 33 that would do 300 psi no problem (6v core).
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Old 06-27-2011, 06:50 PM #12
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You know, the easiest way to do this is to take a clapper noid, stick it to a cocker 3 (5) way, and put urethane or teflon orings in the 3 way (only if the rubber ones leak/blow off/dont last long at 300 psi.
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Old 06-27-2011, 06:56 PM #13
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OR you could just by a junker Wrath and run the valve from that.

Heck a junker Wrath/AR-1/RPM might run you less than a CRCB or any other noid.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:35 PM #14
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i think that the 2011 Mokal Aura has a 'noid that handles very high pressures. i remember reading somewhere that it can handle up to 400 psi or something like that.
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I have ran the Wrath and O2/O3 'noids to 375psi, with no problems at 300. Make sure you get upgraded hoses. I am working on a design for my needs that would use a 200psi plus (potential 300psi) pilot. It is setup to be variable 3/4/5-way operation with 3w operation (for now.)

Spittlebug, I need to get you an update... Have solidworks or Inventor rolling on a machine?
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I have ran the Wrath and O2/O3 'noids to 375psi, with no problems at 300. Make sure you get upgraded hoses. I am working on a design for my needs that would use a 200psi plus (potential 300psi) pilot. It is setup to be variable 3/4/5-way operation with 3w operation (for now.)

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Old 07-02-2011, 06:54 PM #17
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Legend has a very robust solenoid (2way NC). Warped la said it can handle up to 450psi. If anyone knows the manufacturer please chime in.
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Old 09-04-2011, 02:50 PM #18
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Depending on how large a solenoid you can deal with, you might want to sonsider one from a DP Fusion. Those are supposed to be rather robust, and some generations do not use an LPR, so they have a decent pressure rating (not certain exactly what though).
I've run mine to 300 and change. IIRC they're pretty easy to find in older part kits
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How small does the solenoid need to be? The company Numatics makes some extremely high quality valves for industrial applications although the smallest is too large to fit in a marker. Many of their valves are direct acting and the spools don't use o-rings, rather the components are precision lapped to create the necessary seal...the pressure sometimes isn't even an issue depending on the valve type.
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:31 AM #20
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Have you looked on ebay for the MAC 33, 43 solenoids? They going for $15 real cheap. The 33 is a 2 way and the 43 is a 3 way
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Old 09-12-2011, 05:21 PM #21
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why not us a small solenoid and have it control a pilot valve
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